EPCOT Journey of Water featuring Moana coming to Epcot

Phicinfan

Phicinfan

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TikibirdLand said:
No need to get rude here. This is just a discussion board. I see your point. I won't speak for Bocabear. But, I see the destruction of Comunicore and the Foutain of nations really removed the idea of a "hub" just past Spaceship Earth. I liked how open it was. You could see all of the pavilions and the WS beyond. It built anticipation. I don't think there will be anything "wrong" with JoW. I just think it will clutter up the central area beyond WS. I guess that ship has sailed. To say there is cohesiveness in this design is a little hyperbolic. Adding trees and nature to this area will make for radical changes. It just won't be the same EPCoT I took my kids to over the last two decades.
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Perhaps I was a bit rude, but he was getting to be ridiculous with his constant splash pad rant.

My apologies Bocabear if my post seemed too flippant.


Still, I do think they can be a tie to the world of nature theme they are renaming the area to
 
TikibirdLand

TikibirdLand

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jt04 said:
The former spider canopy, and communicore building hindered or completely blocked views of WS. Original plaza with its trees and the FoN also blocked WS to some extent. JoW will be off to the side and pose no sightline issues.
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The canopy was the real blocker there. Never did like that. But, you do have to admit how open it was. Loved coming up on FoN and watching it dance. From that vantage point, there were so many possibilities! Don't get me wrong. Disney TOTALLY messed up Comunicore and Innoventions by not keeping them fresh and relevant. Even so, the hub area felt like The Future. I think it was a cop-out to pull down that building and add JoW. They could have used the building for a great dark ride. Or, it could have been used for the event center.

That's all gone now.
 
jt04

jt04

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TikibirdLand said:
The canopy was the real blocker there. Never did like that. But, you do have to admit how open it was. Loved coming up on FoN and watching it dance. From that vantage point, there were so many possibilities! Don't get me wrong. Disney TOTALLY messed up Comunicore and Innoventions by not keeping them fresh and relevant. Even so, the hub area felt like The Future. I think it was a cop-out to pull down that building and add JoW. They could have used the building for a great dark ride. Or, it could have been used for the event center.

That's all gone now.
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Agreed. The original plaza was timeless design. FoN was too large for the space unnecessarily IMO but otherwise it worked. That said, I am getting more and more excited about the Disney Nature neighborhood and what it might bring.

By the way, traditionalists worried about the future of The Land pavilion should be "rooting" (heh) for this new concept. It might just save LWTL. Just my opinion. 🌱
 
Incomudro

Incomudro

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TikibirdLand said:
The canopy was the real blocker there. Never did like that. But, you do have to admit how open it was. Loved coming up on FoN and watching it dance. From that vantage point, there were so many possibilities! Don't get me wrong. Disney TOTALLY messed up Comunicore and Innoventions by not keeping them fresh and relevant. Even so, the hub area felt like The Future. I think it was a cop-out to pull down that building and add JoW. They could have used the building for a great dark ride. Or, it could have been used for the event center.

That's all gone now.
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For me, they felt like what we used to imagine the future would be: Stark and sterile.
As a kid born in '63, I really loved that.
But it aged out. Yes, it's still done, but so are other approaches.
I really like the idea of a green, natural area being incorporated into Epcot - especially how this leads over to the Seas.
 
TikibirdLand

TikibirdLand

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Incomudro said:
For me, they felt like what we used to imagine the future would be: Stark and sterile.
As a kid born in '63, I really loved that.
But it aged out. Yes, it's still done, but so are other approaches.
I really like the idea of a green, natural area being incorporated into Epcot - especially how this leads over to the Seas.
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I see where you're coming from. Guess we'll see how it all comes together. No turning back now. I have a website we designed back in 1998. Back then, it was considered new and innovative. We didn't touch it, just added more content. Later, it was considered dull and not current. Guess what? We now get emails stating how retro and inviting it is! So, maybe there's hope for EPCoT too.
 
HauntedPirate

HauntedPirate

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lazyboy97o said:
They could be building the Berlin Wall Experience and he’d be crowing about the beautiful new sight lines.
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Indeed. The FoN, though, it was really difficult to see through. Completely blocked my view of SSE from across WSL, or even from the gateway area. And those pesky buildings all around Epcot that are blocking the views. Better to tear them all down so as to open things up.
 
Creathir

Creathir

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jt04 said:
The former spider canopy, and communicore building hindered or completely blocked views of WS. Original plaza with its trees and the FoN also blocked WS to some extent. JoW will be off to the side and pose no sightline issues.
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Sight lines are quite obviously of little concern anymore around Disney…

Take a look at the mistake on the lake… the tacos and stargate monstrosity anchored permanently in the middle of World Showcase Lagoon…
 
jt04

jt04

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creathir said:
Sight lines are quite obviously of little concern anymore around Disney…

Take a look at the mistake on the lake… the tacos and stargate monstrosity anchored permanently in the middle of World Showcase Lagoon…
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That was kind of the problem with Illuminations barges too. Except they was too small for the scale of the lagoon but not so small that it was unnoticeable. I'm waiting for the new fireworks show to draw any conclusions. 🎇🎆
 
jt04

jt04

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marni1971 said:
Apart from it wasn’t. If you remember that far back.

You’re on a roll today.
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I did always find the barges a hindrance of the sightlines. So if something has to be there why not make it worth the trouble and make a spectacle worth the sacrafice? If the show is a dud then that's a different story. 🎆
 
Little Green Men

Little Green Men

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TikibirdLand said:
The canopy was the real blocker there. Never did like that. But, you do have to admit how open it was. Loved coming up on FoN and watching it dance. From that vantage point, there were so many possibilities! Don't get me wrong. Disney TOTALLY messed up Comunicore and Innoventions by not keeping them fresh and relevant. Even so, the hub area felt like The Future. I think it was a cop-out to pull down that building and add JoW. They could have used the building for a great dark ride. Or, it could have been used for the event center.

That's all gone now.
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It was also a big bottleneck with clogged pathways
 

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