Journey of Water featuring Moana coming to Epcot

[lazyboy97o]

ok but we're also not talking about a real attraction here... it's an IP themed splashpad with interactive fountains... that's it...and the entire area has been walled off where work can occur during park hours as well.

The EPCOT park entrance has been a mess for a while.. largely because of this taking forever which is crazy to me

It’s built on top of an existing basement. Why aren’t there a lot of basements in Florida? Water. So putting water on top of an existing basement is going to be a much bigger technical challenge than a splash pad on grade.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Said it before and I'll say it again...South Park did it..

 

[J4546]

nice glad to see the walls coming down! hope it opens up soon!

 

[Disstevefan1]

It’s built on top of an existing basement. Why aren’t there a lot of basements in Florida? Water. So putting water on top of an existing basement is going to be a much bigger technical challenge than a splash pad on grade.

Not a basement. the "basement" you are talking about is actually ground level. and EPCOT is one story above.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Not a basement. the "basement" you are talking about is actually ground level. and EPCOT is one story above.

Yes, a basement. Where the grade maybe sort of was located over four decades ago is rather meaningless beyond trivia. Neither EPCOT Center nor the Magic Kingdom were built as giant podiums. Most basements are built on an excavated site that is backfilled. The utilidors and other miscellaneous basements are all designed and built as basements. Even if there was so material difference, it doesn’t negate the technical challenges of placing it on top of an existing building.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Yes, a basement. Where the grade maybe sort of was located over four decades ago is rather meaningless beyond trivia. Neither EPCOT Center nor the Magic Kingdom were built as giant podiums. Most basements are built on an excavated site that is backfilled. The utilidors and other miscellaneous basements are all designed and built as basements. Even if there was so material difference, it doesn’t negate the technical challenges of placing it on top of an existing building.

Its a fact that the utilidors under the MK are ground level and the MK was build on top of them.

I presume they did the same at EPCOT.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Its a fact that the utilidors under the MK are ground level and the MK was build on top of them.

I presume they did the same at EPCOT.

It was sort of ground level over half a century ago. It is a neat bit of trivial that is rather meaningless to the actual building design.

 

[Disstevefan1]

It was sort of ground level over half a century ago. It is a neat bit of trivial that is rather meaningless to the actual building design.

We can agree to disagree.
Ground level is ground level as no soil was removed (and soil was probably added) and a structure was built, then soil was brought in and filled in around it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

We can agree to disagree.
Ground level is ground level as no soil was removed (and soil was probably added) and a structure was built, then soil was brought in and filled in around it.

The prior conditions don’t matter. They were changed. The ground level is not a static constant. How the building has to function is based on the current conditions, not something that no longer exists. Most basements are built and then earth is filled in around the building.

 

[Disstevefan1]

The prior conditions don’t matter. They were changed. The ground level is not a static constant. How the building has to function is based on the current conditions, not something that no longer exists. Most basements are built and then earth is filled in around the building.

Sometimes, sometimes not. And it does not matter when the water table is 25 or 30 feet below ground level..

As we know, the water table is super high in central Florida, so while basements can be built, its very costly.

I did ACTUALLY see one, in Saint Cloud, FL (right next to WDW). It was in a old change place, I saw the stairs, I really wanted to go down there, they would not let me go down there.

Anyway, I suspect someone building a home on their own land in central Florida, could build a basement but again it would be costly.

The central Florida subdivision homes on 50 wide plots that are cranked out are not made with basements because those homes would cost way too much to build.

 

[GhostHost1000]

It’s built on top of an existing basement. Why aren’t there a lot of basements in Florida? Water. So putting water on top of an existing basement is going to be a much bigger technical challenge than a splash pad on grade.

I get it, but I’m not buying that as an excuse as to why it’s taken them this long for that. They had nature ponds already in that area.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I get it, but I’m not buying that as an excuse as to why it’s taken them this long for that. They had nature ponds already in that area.

Are the ponds on top of a building?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Sometimes, sometimes not. And it does not matter when the water table is 25 or 30 feet below ground level..

As we know, the water table is super high in central Florida, so while basements can be built, its very costly.

I did ACTUALLY see one, in Saint Cloud, FL (right next to WDW). It was in a old change place, I saw the stairs, I really wanted to go down there, they would not let me go down there.

Anyway, I suspect someone building a home on their own land in central Florida, could build a basement but again it would be costly.

The central Florida subdivision homes on 50 wide plots that are cranked out are not made with basements because those homes would cost way too much to build.

Where the grade was doesn’t matter. Once you regrade the site then that is what matters. Water can’t think. It doesn’t know or care where the dirt was yesterday, much less years or decades ago.

 

[Disney Analyst]

I get it, but I’m not buying that as an excuse as to why it’s taken them this long for that. They had nature ponds already in that area.

It took so long because:

1. Disney decides what to build slowly and what to build quickly.
2. Covid shutdowns, spending stops.
3. Epcot overhaul in general being cut / adjusted due to the above
4. Prioritized spending based on #2 and #1.
5. Because Disney do what Disney gonna do.

We can make Disney the butt of the joke because of their timelines, have at it... but in the end, they do it because they want to / can. The only difference here is Covid also played a factor.

And honestly, the only issue I have with how long stuff takes is the visible disarray of the parks when construction is happening.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It took so long because:

1. Disney decides what to build slowly and what to build quickly.
2. Covid shutdowns, spending stops.
3. Epcot overhaul in general being cut / adjusted due to the above
4. Prioritized spending based on #2 and #1.
5. Because Disney do what Disney gonna do.

We can make Disney the butt of the joke because of their timelines, have at it... but in the end, they do it because they want to / can. The only difference here is Covid also played a factor.

And honestly, the only issue I have with how long stuff takes is the visible disarray of the parks when construction is happening.

The high cost and long time line were absolutely impacted by the decision build a splash pad on top of an existing basement.

 

[bpiper]

The high cost and long time line were absolutely impacted by the decision build a splash pad on top of an existing basement.

That just goes to show you that they built the wrong thing at the wrong place.

 

[Disney Analyst]

The high cost and long time line were absolutely impacted by the decision build a splash pad on top of an existing basement.

I think in the end my point is... the reasons, are the reasons, are the reasons. It's all much of a muchness to me. Who cares? Apart from how ugly Epcot has been, which IS an issue, how long something takes is such an annoying thing to constantly be brought up.

 

[J4546]

I dont hate JoW and its placement but I see why some do. I konda wish they had built the Rainforest Coaster that was planned many years ago for that spot though

 

[GhostHost1000]

The high cost and long time line were absolutely impacted by the decision build a splash pad on top of an existing basement.

If building this splashpad cost more to build and was more difficult because it was on a “basement”, then in my opinion their decision to build this there was even more ridiculous and their management making these decisions are worse than I thought

 

[MisterPenguin]

Where the grade was doesn’t matter. Once you regrade the site then that is what matters. Water can’t think. It doesn’t know or care where the dirt was yesterday, much less years or decades ago.

Au contraire. Frozen taught us that water has memory!!