It's a small world interactive queue concept art leaked

[HMF]

Kind of how I could give a flying rat's rear end what a angry person, who hides behind his internet name instead of letting TDO know who he/she is, thinks about the direction that the park is going.:shrug: Judging by the time I have spent in the lines at Pooh, HM and Space, people seem to like the new stuff that has done. While far from scientific, my time in line has shown me that the MASSES do enjoy the changes.

Bert

What the masses like does not make it good, after all as the old adage goes "There are smart persons, people are stupid". I believe that this NextGen BS is a symptom of a much larger problem in our society Most entertainment today is almost intentionally designed to dumb people down and distract them from things like the fact that many thousands of people are struggling to make ends meet and how the top 1% (or to use the politically correct term "Job Creators" ) have things better than ever as the rest of the Americans are losing their jobs, can't afford to feed their families, send their kids to college etc.
But some people would rather just sit and fry their their brains with celebrity gossip shows and reality TV and other irrelevant and brainless things.
It's disgusting.

 

[PirateFrank]

This sickens me.

Even if this were a good idea, which it is not....

The concept art over at stitch kingdom looks as cheap and nasty as south park animation.

 

[CBOMB]

Kind of how I could give a flying rat's rear end what a angry person, who hides behind his internet name instead of letting TDO know who he/she is, thinks about the direction that the park is going.:shrug: Judging by the time I have spent in the lines at Pooh, HM and Space, people seem to like the new stuff that has done. While far from scientific, my time in line has shown me that the MASSES do enjoy the changes.

Bert

I hate those kind of people too. In protest I think you should list your entire name, address, phone number, and social security number right here. Show everybody what a man you are.

 

[HMF]

I hate those kind of people too. In protest I think you should list your entire name, address, phone number, and social security number right here. Show everybody what a man you are.

Yeah, how dare people have an opinion!:shrug:

 

[Rowdy]

I don't understand the "NextGen" stuff involving monitors. Most people now have "monitors" in their pockets known as cellphones. Which they'd much rather be using than these 2 bit stupid little games. If they're not unimpressed the first time through, they certainly will be the second, and won't even look twice for having a phone.

 

[disney fan 13]

I hate those kind of people too. In protest I think you should list your entire name, address, phone number, and social security number right here. Show everybody what a man you are.

removed cause i posted my response to the wrong person

 

[disney fan 13]

Kind of how I could give a flying rat's rear end what a angry person, who hides behind his internet name instead of letting TDO know who he/she is, thinks about the direction that the park is going.:shrug: Judging by the time I have spent in the lines at Pooh, HM and Space, people seem to like the new stuff that has done. While far from scientific, my time in line has shown me that the MASSES do enjoy the changes.

Bert

I have sent a email to disney letting them know how I feel about the parks... If you like i can PM it to you.

 

[googilycub]

I have sent a email to disney letting them know how I feel about the parks... If you like i can PM it to you.

My response was not to you, so no, I could care less about your email.

 

[disney fan 13]

My response was not to you, so no, I could care less about your email.

ouch... Well you were sort of speaking to the crowd so my response was appropriate...

 

[googilycub]

ouch... Well you were sort of speaking to the crowd so my response was appropriate...

Well not really, that is why I quoted one person.

 

[unkadug]

Kind of how I could give a flying rat's rear end what a angry person, who hides behind his internet name instead of letting TDO know who he/she is, thinks about the direction that the park is going.:shrug: Judging by the time I have spent in the lines at Pooh, HM and Space, people seem to like the new stuff that has done. While far from scientific, my time in line has shown me that the MASSES do enjoy the changes.

Bert

I'm pretty sure Disney knows exactly who he is.

 

[googilycub]

So what you're implying is what the masses like and what the fans like are mutually exclusive?

Wrong. If Disney was designing these queues to be something the fans (or anyone with an attention span, for that matter) could support, the masses would come and would probably enjoy them more than they like NextGen queues in their current state.

Where did I say that?

I don't think that at all..For the most part the fans like stuff that most of the public could care less about.

 

[WDW1974]

Quote:
Originally Posted by WDW1974
BUT what I find amazing about having all of this 'information' at our fingertips is that people are dumber than ever. It's almost like the fact they can ask Siri Jobs for an answer means they don't need to think for themselves ever. ... And they mistakenly assume that if they have some information on a subject that they possess knowledge -- two different things entirely.

People are bombarded with so much trivia and factoids that they mistake that for knowledge and can't be bothered to get at the substance and details of any subject. It's very interesting that you bring that up because Bradbury warns us about this very phenomenon. In the author's own words, "Television gives you the dates of Napoleon, but not who he was." Replace television in that quote with any mobile internet device, and take note that these factoids can be anything from Napoleon to the latest Hollywood celebrity news. Hence, the no-attention-span crowd craves instant gratification and a constant stream of quickly-varying, sensory stimuli in order gloss over the lack of depth of their knowledge and feel engaged in anything.

TV isn't nearly as bad as the 'net, though (and I may be a bit biased because of my background) as what the web provides is the ability to get one tiny morsel of information (a TV show on either Napoleon or Whitney Houston's death is going to still give you some background, some perspective, some texture). Your iPhone can give you one factoid (that may or may not actually be ... well, factual).

Things are much worse with Twitter, which some people now use as a conversation tool (how/why is beyond my 'limited' :drevil: intellectual capacity). You need to get a point across in 140 characters ... heaven forbid we actually have something that requires more than that. I think I'll just tweet that 'dese cookies are yummy!' (they really are!)

The no-attention span crowd aren't simply ruining Disney theme parks ... they are lowering intelligence of the species (despite having more INFO at their fingertips than any generation in human history ... I guess Steve Jobs really was God ) and often they are killling and maiming people because they can't even put the damn things down when they are driving.

This. This is key. I remember reading a story somewhere that Walt refused the advice of businessmen to build Disneyland basically as a glorified carnival because that was "good enough" for the masses - basically playing down to the lowest common denominator, which is the idea behind these noisy, jungle gym "interactive" queues . Walt basically rejected the premise that people always know what they want. His approach was to try to offer something people didn't know they wanted, and it is on that philosophy that Disneyland became successful.

The Walt way of doing things ended a long time ago ... some might even say it died with him since he was pushing boundaries and much of what his organization accomplished later he may have had no interest in (even things we all like, like having 11 theme parks across the globe with a 12th on the way). But the whole 'tude of staying away from the LCD definitely began to die in the mid-90s ... not sure when, but that was the time the business models changed.

Walt's philosophy (and WED's) was to give people what they DIDN'T know they wanted.

Today, TWDC's view is give the guests what they THINK they want and tell you in surveys that are rigged to give you answers that you want anyway.

No one in the 1960s would have ever suggested an 18-minute boat ride through caverns into the heart of a pirate seige. No one. But in 2012, PoC is one of the most popular Disney attractions in four parks across the globe (with a fifth version and stunt show based on it coming to a new park) and a four (soon to be five) movie multi-billion dollar franchise spawned from it.

You get stuff like that when you don't worry about 'what people want or say they do' ... you get the mess that is much of WDW when you start letting what you think your guests want (like say attractions in disrepair versus attractions closed for regular rehabbing!) rule the day.

~Send a Fanboi to Bed Happy: Read Him Some Tales of the Gulf Coast Room and the Orange Bird!:wave:~

 

[tecowdw]

Wow - this thread has kind of gone off the deep end.
:drevil:

 

[WDW1974]

You've been up all night sticking pins in your Bob Iger doll again haven't you.

If I told you what I spent much of the night doing it would likely blow your old mind (or what's left!:ROFLOL ... but The Weatherman had nothing to do with it ... although he may learn of it in some way in the not too distant future.

And, no, had nothing to do with either the man or his company!:zipit::drevil::king:

~Is iceberg the blue collar lettuce?~

 

[WDW1974]

Kind of how I could give a flying rat's rear end what a angry person, who hides behind his internet name instead of letting TDO know who he/she is, thinks about the direction that the park is going.:shrug: Judging by the time I have spent in the lines at Pooh, HM and Space, people seem to like the new stuff that has done. While far from scientific, my time in line has shown me that the MASSES do enjoy the changes.

Bert

Hey, Bert (how's Ernie, btw?) my take on things is that folks who generally don't care what I have to say, don't respond to what I post.

And I 'hide' here because we are all allowed to be anonymous and the vast majority of people choose to be (wisely I might add as there are some crazy wackjobs out there in Disney FanBoi Land). I assure you that the powers at TWDC (well above friends like Phil Holmes) know exactly who I am. And some lowlif... I mean lower level folks in PR and Social Media have become aware of who I am by Social Media whores trying to leverage my identity to gain favor from the Mouse. I'd tell them that it isn't very smart and not really fruitful for them either because the power of Disney isn't run out of cubicles at Celebration Place. ... And TDO knows exactly what I think of the way they are running the resort. We're like lovers on Valentine's Day -- we have no secrets from one another ... yeah, that's it!:drevil::wave:

As to what you view the masses liking ... well, they don't have a choice, do they? They pay to get into WDW (a great deal, I might add) so they can enjoy themselves or not. But they aren't given a choice between say ... interactive queues and attractions like HPatFJ now are they? And while you say people are enjoying them, my experiences and those of my CM pals who are there weekly are that only young children are enjoying Pooh's queue, most folks don't quite get Mansion's (but it is fairly popular) and that no one really gives a damn at all about the games in Space Mtn.

~A Yard Stick?!?! ... I mean, like REALLY?!?!~

 

[WDW1974]

I hate those kind of people too. In protest I think you should list your entire name, address, phone number, and social security number right here. Show everybody what a man you are.

I have really missed you, man! Glad to see you back!:wave:

~Hawaii: Yeah. Aulani: Not Unless You're Paying!~

 

[WDW1974]

I'm pretty sure Disney knows exactly who he is.

Just pretty sure?

I'll bet you your entire life's savings (and any pins, vinyl or plush you own) that they definitely know!:wave:

~Happy VD ... oops, perhaps better write that out next time to all the special GFC contingent!~

 

[Jim Handy]

This whole new initiative gives me a massive headache. The sheer stupidity of it, combined with the price tag raises so many questions I'm not sure I want answered.

 

[PeoplemoverTTA]

I rarely chime in on threads like this, but I can't help it. My frustrations with WDW have reached the boiling point...

Small World is just about the most boring attraction in the parks...especially for children (in my opinion and experience).

And yet it is one of the most beloved attractions of all time, and has managed to draw huge crowds for more than 50 years on both coasts. A real snooze. Please. :brick:

Disney has to strike a delicate balance between moving forward while maintaining the essence and purity of the original attractions.

No one is debating whether WDW attractions should move forward. The problem is that sticking monitors and low-quality animation (*cough* SSE *cough*) is a far cry from moving forward. It's a lazy way to encourage people to spend more $$ upfront for "high end" services.

I think it is going to be the other way around, it is to enhance Disney gathering more marketing information.

Precisely. It's all about the $$, and not even remotely about the guest experience.

FJ has one of if not THE best queue ever. Anywhere. It's an attraction in itself. So much to see. To Watch. To Be drawn into. 100% immersion.

Quoted for pure truth. FJ is an amazing, immersive experience. In my opinion, it blows every WDW (maybe ToT is close) attraction out of the water. Easily. And the only ones that come remotely close were conceived and built nearly 20 years ago. What does that say about the state of WDW?

I can't understand the argument some people are choosing to make, that screens are what "today's children want." Since when does Disney give people (particularly those who are simply children and don't know what they 'want') what they want? They're supposed to blow away what I could possibly conceive of...elevate the theme park experience to a level that only Disney could provide. Instead, they pander to cheap tricks and ploys to earn more money.

The entire way this organization is running is frustrating and disappointing to me lately.

I literally just had a discussion this weekend with my sister about my frustrations with the direction of WDW. She is a casual fan, grew up loving Disney like me (before this summer, her last trip to WDW was in 2007). But she doesn't frequent message boards or keep up on news. She noticed all the lights out on the Grand Floridian in August. She noticed that the Laughing Place was like a graveyard, with unmoving figures and missing "jumping" water. She noticed the few "dead" birds on the finale boat. Knowing that my eye is more keen to the details, I never once mentioned that I noticed any of those things. It was all her. Yup, even "regular" guests notice those things.

My cousin loves Disney, but is even less of a "fan." Very casual fan. Goes to WDW every 3-4 years. Her first trip to WDW in awhile was back in 2006. Hers and her fiancé's favorite ride was E:E. When they went back in 2009, they took his son, and were talking up how amazing it was. When they got off, they were so disappointed because the Yeti wasn't working. They brought it up to me after they got back. They thought it was just down that day. Their son literally got off and said, "That's it." He was 7. Yes, "Everyday Casual Tourist," and even those simple children who just "want" screens and interactivity noticed. And their experience suffered.

Do I still have fun? Yes. Do my sister and cousin still have fun? Sure. But Disney is lowering the bar - the bar that they set. The experience is declining. The return on my investment of time and money is declining. And it's making an impact. My sister wanted a Disney honeymoon this summer. She's going to Disneyland. I'm planning my next Disney trip...to Disneyland (and after that, a cruise and in 2013 to TDL).

I don't like to get involved in controversial threads. And I rarely rant like I am now. But this ridiculous "leak" tipped an already precarious scale. How much lower can it get? When is TDO going to wake up and realize that they are lowering their own bar and cheapening their "product?"

When is Bob Iger going to realize that "brands" don't drive the theme parks. The theme parks are the brands. Amazing brands that once told immersive, unique stories that you couldn't find anywhere else. Stories that merged technology, artistry and storytelling to transport people to places new and familiar, but distinctly "Disney."