Hi @LongLiveTheKing! Stop reaching. It wasn't meant to be a glowing endorsement. I'm just stating facts. TSA has its issues but most people feel kind of safer flying now since 9/11.
Hi @RobidaFlats! Um, no it's not.
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Is WDW Security Serious?
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@LongLiveTheKing @RobidaFlats
#dontarguewithsirensheisalwaysright
#otherpeoplesopinionsdontmatterhere
#dontarguewithsirensheisalwaysright
#otherpeoplesopinionsdontmatterhere
#theyhaveajobtodoafterall
RobidaFlats
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By definition it is. The specific fallacy is Affirming the Consequent.
1. If A, then B.
2. B
3. Therefore, A.
In your specific instance:
1. If Disney does something right, nothing bad will happen.
2. Nothing bad happened.
3. Therefore Disney did something right.
This is false because it precludes any other reason that nothing bad has happened. Just for a couple examples: Nobody tried to do anything bad or random elements kept anything bad from happening without Disney's direct involvement at all.
For further reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
RobidaFlats
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I have a policy of giving everyone (regardless of posting history) a chance when I interact with them directly. If/when they prove themselves incapable of a rational discussion, I move on.
Obviously there are some posters who have shown from their history that things are not likely to go well, but it doesn't really cost me anything to engage them once and give them a shot at reasonable discourse before I withdraw.
#iacknowledgeicanbenaive
I would call that niceness rather than naivety and i salute you for it
I find this kind of dialogue to be incredibly awkward and quite frankly impossible. It totally stifles the natural flow of communication -- feelings and opinions are confined within the limits imposed by a platform of discussion that utilizes figures and imposes rules, in order to cancel out and/or control thoughtful discussion.
Disney's security is doing something right -- they even warned the FBI about the Orlando shooter before the horrible Pulse incident. Disney is larger than most metropolitan cities riddled with violence and yet no terror or violent incidents have occurred at Disney World.
I did not say that nothing bad will happen at Disney because they do something right.
You cannot use figures and mathematical equations to alter personal opinions and statements and put words in people's mouth to imply something entirely different than what was originally stated.
And, this is why I find these kinds of arguments impossible.
This is correct.
Also, correct. Your statement(s) has yet to demonstrate otherwise.
Wow, this is too bad. I thought we had a very nice discussion on the rumors board, so I'm not sure what brought this statement about but I am glad to withdraw and move on. Thanks so much, its been fun!
matt9112
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you know the TSA is a joke right? the FBI sneaks fake bombs through airports all year long....google it im not joking. its all theater really.
Goofyernmost
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Oh, well... if it's on the internet, it must be true. I've never known a bit of information that wasn't true coming on the interwebs.
draybook
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Some of the TSA agents look like they belong on that people of walmart site. I don't feel safer since 9/11, and if I did it sure wouldn't be because someone with a high school diploma or GED scanned me or wanted me. It's because I know that statistics and odds are on my side.
That being said, it was nice to see everyone being scanned at the park entrances. If you're going to provide theater security and safety, at least be fair and do it with everyone.
That being said, it was nice to see everyone being scanned at the park entrances. If you're going to provide theater security and safety, at least be fair and do it with everyone.
matt9112
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ok let me rephrase if you google it reputable sources aka the FBI...or just look at the last real world issues the shoe and underwear bombers both got bombs on a plane.
matt9112
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i would rather they do it at TTC for MK idk how that would work but just hate seeing it out there. and they don't scan everyone still. was there yesterday and was not scanned.
draybook
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We're you at the MK last night? We went there right at 9pm. They were scanning all of those who didn't go through the bag lines. Same thing at Epcot a couple hours before that. Same with Studio today. Anyways, would have been cool possibly meeting a other member of this forum again!
matt9112
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yup we arrived at say 3pm or so and left after wishes. on an aside there was one plane trip with my son when he was 1 where we walked around security and they never wanded us or anything even our bag. im pretty sure it was a breakdown on there part. (waived around body scanner because of baby makes sense) but at that point we should have been wanded and our bags should have still gone on the belt. none of this occured i could have literally had a bomb on a plane.
Goofyernmost
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Well, come on. If someone is original enough it is going to happen. Shoes, not so much anymore, underwear... I guess stripping through the checkpoint will be next.
There are many ways that someone can outwit even the smartest of authorities, but, there are also many instances where it was a deterrent and that alone, even if the guard was dumber then a bucket of rocks, has a value. This dismissing the entire system because some are less then the brightest bulb on the tree, is nonsense. It may not be perfect, but, it is far better then nothing so if you want to fly regularly without those "weak" checkpoints, you are welcome to do so... but, I want somebody paying attention even if it isn't perfect. We all still have a bad habit of judging based solely on what we actually see, without knowing what else is going on that we don't see. Feel however you want, but, I will opt for the system no matter how flawed it is, it is far better then nothing and hardly just for show. And really, if you think the FBI is going to let you know what else is out there, you are very naive.
LongLiveTheKing
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-...idespread-security-failures/story?id=31434881
"TSA fake bombs" comes up with many results on google.
But yes in regards to your other post I like least security screening is at least done. I wouldn't be comfortable having no screening. It is very much a deterrent for crazy people.
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Hi @matt9112! The only thing I said was Disney was trained by the TSA. And, that even I started a discussion thread about it a long time ago.That's all. I have not given TSA a glowing review or anything like that.
My personal encounters with TSA are less than glowing -- the TSA guys are extremely flirtatious, especially the ones in Orlando. The last time I was at MCO -- I was standing just outside the screening line area and this TSA guard walked up to me and said that I could bypass the super long security line. I still had to be screened but I didn't have to wait in line, so he told me to follow him. I didn't know that he didn't see my squad just a few feet behind me so as we're walking he turns around and says -- are they with you? And, I was like, yes! And, then he said, oh no, I didn't know they were with you --you're the only one who can bypass the line and then he took off so fast. LOL. The line had gotten twice as long by then and I still got pulled to the side again by the same guy -- this time because of my laptop, ipad and Kindle and two phones -- everyone else got through with no issues so they had to leave me so they could hold the plane. I almost missed my flight, then the ramp agent tried to force me to check my carry on. It took another agent to step in and advise him that I could bring my carry on.
I thought I was the last person on the plane but they were missing about a dozen people and had to wait anyway. I was so relieved that I was not the last person because if you hold up the plane -- people will record you and put you on blast on Youtube and Twitter. LOL.
I still think TSA's presence keeps the terrorists away, like a dog keeps away most burglars.
matt9112
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possibly they do? thats the thought process anyway but a basic criminal is far less sophisticated and easily detered as there is no incentive . a terrorist likely isnt concerned with there own life and unless its a copy cat is also likely financed and trained by people with a lot of incentive. i think we should all walk through a scanner and the bags go tbrough a machine....quickky....there is no good excuse for the slow and unprofessional conduct currently in place. at the very least they should be highly trained security professionals. i would rather the army ect do the job it would be a step up. (plus im not a huge fan of giant militaristic organizations being created for the sole purpose of being used on our own soil) caugh homeland security.
edit they had a cow when i brought a bowling ball on board.
This is very well said and I agree with you. And, I'm totally cracking up about the bowling ball. LOL.
Anyway, you are so right about the terrorists not being deterred by TSA. With that said, the terrorists have not been able to pull off another major incident -- thank goodness. I don't think it's just because of TSA but it's more a combination of TSA and the heightened state of awareness among all travelers including airport and airline workers -- and, also the general public. This has proven to be successful in thwarting another large scale airline incident. The airport police have a heavy presence at the airport, too.
216bruce
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I guess I'd better up the ante on doing more ab crunches and cut down on carbs. Gotta look good for TSA and fellow travelers.