MuteSuperstar
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Something more than 4 minutes would be nice. But I genuinely believe the average modern guest does not want longer attractions.
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Rumor Is the End of Innoventions Near?
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Something more than 4 minutes would be nice. But I genuinely believe the average modern guest does not want longer attractions.
disney lit
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Yeah, i dont get that though. i want something about like the Space age and what we could do. i also want it top be apolitical
yensidtlaw1969
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Which is why lines at Pirates, Mansion, Splash Mountain, Spaceship Earth, Kilimanjaro, and the Jungle Cruise are so short.
Personally, if I have to wait an hour to get on a ride I'd rather that ride be long enough to justify that wait. Which is why the rumors of Rise of the Resistance being 20+ minutes from Pre-show to Unload is so appealing. And it sounds like it should be epic for every one of those minutes.
If you're entertained the whole time, the length of the ride doesn't matter so much.
theRIOT
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I've only seen it's classic form in your videos. If I could have seen that as a kid, it would have blown my mind - heck - it would now, too.
The creativity in those buildings has been unmatched in FW since they removed it.
MuteSuperstar
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Agreed on all counts, mainly saying the trend for newer attractions seems to be shortening and people mostly seem fine with it. Hopefully the Star Wars stuff gets it right.
From whom? Again, the corporate sponsorship model is dead. If Disney relied on it to update their attractions, it didn’t work.
DisneyQuest didn’t suffer from corporate sponsorship model, but this attraction was clearly a victim of a smaller customer base that’s willing to enjoy it. Orlando was the last location that had it. It just wasn’t going to survive much longer. I can think of other concepts that relied on many locations to keep it alive like ESPN Zone.
The numerous updates that Future World attractions require is not financially feasible. Technology and Science is a moving target and the audience is indifferent.
tirian
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Imagination has been getting a re-do for over a decade. Disney keeps canceling the plans.
yensidtlaw1969
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From Disney - they should totally have abandoned the Sponsorship model sooner. I think that was part of the problem that sunk Future World in the first place. Both Horizons and the original Imagination in particular seem to have fallen victim to its failings. It's not like Disney didn't have any of their own money from the 90's until now to invest in these things. And as you say, that model certainly hasn't been too much of a thing in Epcot in in the past 10 years, so it's not like they should have been waiting all that time for someone else to spend their money on fixing Future World's lineup.
I agree that DisneyQuest seemed to have been too little too late - the way it fared in Chicago wasn't a great sign. Seems like the kind of thing that showed up late to it's own party - arcades were already going the way of the dodo by the time it hit the scene, and then it lingered too long in Downtown Disney without anything meaningful being added to bring it new attention. I don't lament its closure, personally, but I won't pretend they shouldn't have invested more in it if they were going to keep it open as long as it did. They let it limp to its death.
I think that's a bit of a myth -- most of the Future World Pavilions were made up of content that was either a depiction of the past, which were never really any more dated than ones that remain today in Spaceship Earth, or visions of the distant future that haven't miraculously turned into present day as people like to suggest. The visions of the future in Horizons are still ahead of us, the city in World of Motion was abstract enough that you wouldn't feel like we were past it . . . and none of these things were so far gone that they couldn't possibly be salvaged with a little casual updating as any attraction would reasonably warrant after 20 years of operation. The biggest headache would be replacing filmed segments with new ones that don't look like they were shot in the 80's, and even that doesn't seem to be a deal breaker with Disney since examples of these are currently hanging out in China, France, Living with the Land, you could even argue the American Adventure . . . and remember, even Test Track only made it 13 years before getting a total overhaul, and Mission Space even less before adding the new Green show, so it's not like they're replacing these original attractions with things that are set to go for millennia. Communicore/Innoventions would have been the most likely to fall victim to this mentality if that was the criteria for taking things off line, and they kept that on, if half-heartedly, far past most other attractions. But then, it didn't have dozens of expensive Audio Animatronics to maintain, which I think was a bigger issue than "the future is a moving target".
Dr.GrantSeeker
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If it’s an argument that Future World attractions are easily updated and not completely outdated, then the updates are not urgent. Is this true or not? Whenever someone points out Splash Mountain didn’t get an update, it’s always about broken lightbulbs or animatronics. We’re not talking about light bulbs or animatronics here, but storylines and footage. We do this every 10 years or so. It’s financially unfeasible to rebuild attractions that frequently. This is common in Epcot. Or increasingly less common.
I can do better...I'd love to see a picture of that. I'm sure you have pictures somewhere?
DznyRktekt
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30:13 the population clock! Analog, made of wood.. a kinetic masterpiece. Whatever became of it?
bhg469
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This take is on fire!
jt04
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There is something off with the edutainment angle at theme parks. I never knew how right Lee is until recently.
I think it is the fact that the education portion does not allow for a difference of opinion IMO. It comes of as more a form of indoctrination than entertainment.
Most just want the entertainment not the superficial faux 'education'.
I think it is the fact that the education portion does not allow for a difference of opinion IMO. It comes of as more a form of indoctrination than entertainment.
Most just want the entertainment not the superficial faux 'education'.
I’ll let him know next time we chat.
Bocabear
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The Living Seas pavilion taught how the seas were formed...Based on science, not faux education...the only part that was not scientific was your method of transportation to an imaginary seabase at the bottom of the sea...which was TOTALLY entertaining. It blended the both together beautifully...Now it is a cartoon joke and completely un memorable.
Nothing wrong with learning a little science with your entertainment...
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brb1006
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These images of Communicore are the perfect images of Epcot at it's prime.
SMRT-1 along with Dreamfinder and Figment we're one of the most iconic characters of Epcot Center of the 80s and 90s.
Here's rare footage of SMRT-1 interacting with child guests sometime in the 1980s.
And speaking of robots, does anybody remember Gyro who used to be found wandering around Epcot in the 80s and able to interact with guests? Unlike Dreamfinder and Figment, it's difficult to find any videos of Gyro in action.
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brb1006
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As a follow up to my comment on SMRT-1 and Gyro. Does anybody remember Gero? It's very difficult to find video footage of this robot that was also seen at the park in the 80s. But here's photos from that period. Gero would usually be seen moving around the park and also be seen talking to guests.
This is also the only video I could find of Gyro interacting with guests as seen in this video from 1985.
This is also the only video I could find of Gyro interacting with guests as seen in this video from 1985.