Rumor Is the End of Innoventions Near?

yensidtlaw1969

yensidtlaw1969

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eliza61nyc said:
I'll take the band aid. The problem with your analogy and what you folks are forgetting is that there is no going back. Disney is not going to do what you (general use of term) want. There will be no 10 minute ride spectacular. there will be NO going back to the original concept. a few post back some one used the word "cutting" edge, that made me laugh so hard I almost snorted coke (the drink) up my nose. lol. This is a serious question, Do you really think Disney is going to put the time, talent or money into Innoventions???

So the correct analogy would be putting a tourniquet on the wound or doing nothing and letting it die. Innoventions is died for all intense purposes.

Exactly how can it be worst?? currently it's an empty building that smells with a character meet and greet in the front. It's not attractive, actually ugly inside, I've been in there where folks mistook it for a warehouse and I always see folks wandering around trying to figure out what it is.

Now I totally agree with the bolded IF they had done all that the parks probably wouldn't be in this mess but they didn't. So why do nothing and let it rot more? Yes, I would much prefer to have a corny IP 4 minute ride, so yep I'll take the band aid rather than dying. I just don't get the "wishing" mentality when Disney has shown over the last say 10 years what they are willing to do.
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No one's saying "I'd rather they leave the park as-is than put a band aid on it".*

The thought is that instead of putting on a band aid they should prep for major surgery.

I'd rather see them take a little longer to plot out what they actually want the park to evolve into than rush into building new things that don't and won't adhere to a central theme for the park -- even if they change that theme, which I personally don't think should be necessary.

The park has a strong identity, if only they'd play into it, and while I'd enjoy seeing them do that the old-school way there are still other ways to execute on that theme that can be successful for contemporary audiences.


*EDIT: Okay, maybe one person is saying that:

Missing20K said:
Totally a personal opinion, but I'd take a quick, painless death over bleeding out through a band aid.
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eliza61nyc

eliza61nyc

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
No one's saying "I'd rather they leave the park as-is than put a band aid on it".*

The thought is that instead of putting on a band aid they should prep for major surgery.

I'd rather see them take a little longer to plot out what they actually want the park to evolve into than rush into building new things that don't and won't adhere to a central theme for the park -- even if they change that theme, which I personally don't think should be necessary.

The park has a strong identity, if only they'd play into it, and while I'd enjoy seeing them do that the old-school way there are still other ways to execute on that theme that can be successful for contemporary audiences.


*EDIT: Okay, maybe one person is saying that:
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And again, what do you think the realistic probability of that happen. I too, would love, love, love actually took the time to bring back great imagineers, take the time and money to give a great attraction. Central theme?? seriously???

Disney has not played to the Epcot identity in 15 years.

Maybe it's me, maybe I am a more "realistic" person. I work with what I have. this management has shown the fans time and time again that the direction they take is quick, cheap and IP.

So I'll take your first statement. I am not saying I wouldn't love those 13 min, Martin style, attractions . They are gone, for the immediate future (and when I say immediate I'm thinking the near 10 years) they are gone never to return. the closest thing we may get is SW:GE

So I think the difference is you would rather see the park have empty ugly structures, waiting on the hope and hte prayer that Disney will some how return to it's glory days.

I do not.
 
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eliza61nyc

eliza61nyc

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
The park has a strong identity, if only they'd play into it, and while I'd enjoy seeing them do that the old-school way there are still other ways to execute on that theme that can be successful for contemporary audiences.


*EDIT: Okay, maybe one person is saying that:
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Let me ask you, has anything Disney done lately in Epcot or HS make you believe that they are willing to try and return Epcot to any of it's former glory?

so sorry I'm sticking to my original opinion. Since the only two options DISNEY seems to want to give us is 1) do nothing 2) IP/ quick, imagine light fare, I'll go with door number 2.

That is all I'm saying. I'm not wishing that Disney has some miraculous turn around in how it manages the park so yes, I'd rather they put a IP ride in there than leave it like it currently is. which is absolutely horrible. for goodness sake the building stinks!!
 
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yensidtlaw1969

yensidtlaw1969

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eliza61nyc said:
And again, what do you think the realistic probability of that happen. I too, would love, love, love actually took the time to bring back great imagineers, take the time and money to give a great attraction. Central theme?? seriously???

Disney has not played to the Epcot identity in 15 years.

Maybe it's me, maybe I am a more "realistic" person. I work with what I have. this management has shown the fans time and time again that the direction they take is quick, cheap and IP.

So I'll take your first statement. I am not saying I wouldn't love those 13 min, Martin style, attractions . They are gone, for the immediate future (and when I say immediate I'm thinking the near 10 years) they are gone never to return. the closest thing we may get is SW:GE

So I think the difference is you would rather see the park have empty ugly structures, waiting on the hope and hte prayer that Disney will some how return to it's glory days.

I do not.
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I think you entirely missed my point -- what I said was that while I personally would love to see Disney build more "13 min, Martin style attractions" in Epcot, there are other ways to make attractions that fit the themes of Future World and World Showcase without pulling from the old playbook. THAT is what I think is a reasonable ask, I recognize they're not going to rebuild Horizons.

I don't want to see the park sit with ugly, empty structures. What I'm saying is that I'd rather they take a beat to figure out how to fill them in a way that makes Epcot a THEME park again - even if they want to CHANGE the theme - rather than just a hodge-podge of whatever seemed like a quick-fix at the time.

I'd rather those empty buildings turn into construction zones, but I want them to result in attractions that are mindful of each other and how they relate.

It's been working well at Animal Kingdom, which has hardly wavered from its themes and missions from day 1. I don't expect them to return to the ethos of EPCOT Center, but I do expect them to develop a new ethos for the park. Otherwise it becomes a Disney® Brand Amusement Park.
 
MaryJaneP

MaryJaneP

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In what can only serve as an elimination of a longing for what EPCOT used to be, WDW and TDO must, asap, remove the Innoventions buildings, before any more mention is made of what Innoventions/FW/Communicore used to be, any memory is recalled, what those buildings could be, and a criticism of those buildings remaining empty/being underused is denied. IMHO, anyone who truly believes any replacement will be an improvement, tilts at windmills.
 
eliza61nyc

eliza61nyc

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
I think you entirely missed my point -- what I said was that while I personally would love to see Disney build more "13 min, Martin style attractions" in Epcot, there are other ways to make attractions that fit the themes of Future World and World Showcase without pulling from the old playbook. THAT is what I think is a reasonable ask, I recognize they're not going to rebuild Horizons.

I don't want to see the park sit with ugly, empty structures. What I'm saying is that I'd rather they take a beat to figure out how to fill them in a way that makes Epcot a THEME park again - even if they want to CHANGE the theme - rather than just a hodge-podge of whatever seemed like a quick-fix at the time.

I'd rather those empty buildings turn into construction zones, but I want them to result in attractions that are mindful of each other and how they relate.

It's been working well at Animal Kingdom, which has hardly wavered from its themes and missions from day 1. I don't expect them to return to the ethos of EPCOT Center, but I do expect them to develop a new ethos for the park. Otherwise it becomes a Disney® Brand Amusement Park.
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ok, Good luck with that.
 
jt04

jt04

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HauntedMansionFLA said:
I hope they use both Innovations East and West as a massive meet and greet area. BUT each M & G has to be set up for FP+ to spread out the crowd even more. More FP chances fir the E tickets.
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I think this might be what they may do if Martin is right about the budget. Wouldn't overwhelm the buildings with crowds.

They could also add the F&W glow drink place as a permanent feature. I'm sure it does well.
 

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