Rumor Is the End of Innoventions Near?

jt04

jt04

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Bocabear said:
The Living Seas pavilion taught how the seas were formed...Based on science, not saux education...the only part that was not scientific was your method of transportation to an imaginary seabase at the bottom of the sea...which was TOTALLY entertaining. It blended the both together beautifully...Now it is a cartoon joke and completely un memorable.
Nothing wrong with learning a little science with your entertainment...
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Actually I think there might be for a sizable percentage of guests. Even in Future World's prime, the word boring was often attached. I think that is because it reminded people of dry educational films from school projectors. Granted with plenty of bells and whistles but still the general idea.

I think Disney is smart to move past this edutainment medium and towards more immersion and escapism. This is why DAK really needs Indiana Jones land and S.E.A. storytelling.

IMO.
 
SteveAZee

SteveAZee

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Bocabear said:
The Living Seas pavilion taught how the seas were formed...Based on science, not saux education...the only part that was not scientific was your method of transportation to an imaginary seabase at the bottom of the sea...which was TOTALLY entertaining. It blended the both together beautifully...Now it is a cartoon joke and completely un memorable.
Nothing wrong with learning a little science with your entertainment...
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The problem with Spaceship Earth is that is offends the flat earthers.
 
TwilightZone

TwilightZone

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jt04 said:
Actually I think there might be for a sizable percentage of guests. Even in Future World's prime, the word boring was often attached. I think that is because it reminded people of dry educational films from school projectors. Granted with plenty of bells and whistles but still the general idea.

I think Disney is smart to move past this edutainment medium and towards more immersion and escapism. This is why DAK really needs Indiana Jones land and S.E.A. storytelling.

IMO.
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I never heard boring and animal kingdom in a sentence before.
I think what AK does better that epcot couldn't do is
1. Immersive theming throughout entire park vs. immersive theming only in specific pavilions
2. Good balance of education and thrills
3. Does not try to predict the ever changing future
4. Everyone loves animals, not everyone likes learning about energy for example
 
jt04

jt04

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TwilightZone said:
I never heard boring and animal kingdom in a sentence before.
I think what AK does better that epcot couldn't do is
1. Immersive theming throughout entire park vs. immersive theming only in specific pavilions
2. Good balance of education and thrills
3. Does not try to predict the ever changing future
4. Everyone loves animals, not everyone likes learning about energy for example
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You make a good case for DAK but it could be reaching the point where it starts to feel too preachy. Some think it already is.

They need some offerings that are just for the fun of it. Indiana Jones land could do that. Mystic Manor. Mysterious Island/20K. Plenty of possibilities.
 
TwilightZone

TwilightZone

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jt04 said:
You make a good case for DAK but it could be reaching the point where it starts to feel too preachy. Some think it already is.

They need some offerings that are just for the fun of it. Indiana Jones land could do that. Mystic Manor. Mysterious Island/20K. Plenty of possibilities.
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I never really have heard about complaints about the preachiness of AK. Don't think it's too big of an issue right now.
But I do agree that AK needs more. Soon or later, Pandora won't be enough.
 
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Sneezy62

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I never knew Epcot in its prime. My childhood trips to Disney ended in 1978 and I only started back with my wife to be in 2009.

She was not keen to go to “the boring park with the countries.” I wanted to see it and so we compromised. We spent about a half day there and half a day at Studios. Soarin’ (California) turned out to be her favourite ride at WDW. We also hopped back to the park for candlelight Processional and ROE with the Peace on Earth tag on another day. She enjoyed those as well. She still felt that on the whole the park was Museum like. That was in 2009.

This year we returned with our three kids. She didn’t Really want to include it because she thought the kids would be bored. Luckily our littlest is all about Anna and Elsa. Between that, our only ADR of trip being meeting the characters at Garden Grill and a chance to see a new version of Soarin’ she committed to going.

We spent nearly an hour letting the kids play in the interactive area of Spaceship Earth. . Soarin’ and our ADR were the only things that pulled us out of the Seas. The Imagination Pavilion would have captured another hour if she hadn’t made a fourth FP+ for Living with the Land during our meal. While walking through the Fountain of Nations courtyard she made the comment that “I didn’t Remember how pretty this part of Epcot was.” We rode a Friendship boat over Morocco and meandered back to Norway for our meeting with the Frozen girls, losing another half hour while our seven year old train buff had an absolute blast watching the trains in Germany. After Three Caballeros we settled in for Illuminations in front of The Odyssey building.

Walking out of the park afterwards she made the comment that she wished more of Disney was as interactive and family oriented as Epcot.

Hmmm, interactive and family friendly, yeppers lets tear it down and build rollercoasters cuz pretty buildings just don’t impress people anymore.

Two trips now and I still haven’t seen the east side of Future World. Still not all that interested.
 
tirian

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Sneezy62 said:
I never knew Epcot in its prime. My childhood trips to Disney ended in 1978 and I only started back with my wife to be in 2009.

She was not keen to go to “the boring park with the countries.” I wanted to see it and so we compromised. We spent about a half day there and half a day at Studios. Soarin’ (California) turned out to be her favourite ride at WDW. We also hopped back to the park for candlelight Processional and ROE with the Peace on Earth tag on another day. She enjoyed those as well. She still felt that on the whole the park was Museum like. That was in 2009.

This year we returned with our three kids. She didn’t Really want to include it because she thought the kids would be bored. Luckily our littlest is all about Anna and Elsa. Between that, our only ADR of trip being meeting the characters at Garden Grill and a chance to see a new version of Soarin’ she committed to going.

We spent nearly an hour letting the kids play in the interactive area of Spaceship Earth. . Soarin’ and our ADR were the only things that pulled us out of the Seas. The Imagination Pavilion would have captured another hour if she hadn’t made a fourth FP+ for Living with the Land during our meal. While walking through the Fountain of Nations courtyard she made the comment that “I didn’t Remember how pretty this part of Epcot was.” We rode a Friendship boat over Morocco and meandered back to Norway for our meeting with the Frozen girls, losing another half hour while our seven year old train buff had an absolute blast watching the trains in Germany. After Three Caballeros we settled in for Illuminations in front of The Odyssey building.

Walking out of the park afterwards she made the comment that she wished more of Disney was as interactive and family oriented as Epcot.

Hmmm, interactive and family friendly, yeppers lets tear it down and build rollercoasters cuz pretty buildings just don’t impress people anymore.

Two trips now and I still haven’t seen the east side of Future World. Still not all that interested.
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Watch @marni1971 ’s videos about Horizons. You’ll be floored that the WDC once made a multi-level attraction that featured a massive AA cast, wrapped around massive IMAX screens, and let you pick your own ending. They did this in the 1980s.

In many ways, the upcoming Star Wars land is a return to a format that was perfected in the early 80s. It’s simply been upgraded with better technology — which is how things should be done.
 
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Sneezy62

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tirian said:
Watch @marni1971 ’s videos about Horizons. You’ll be floored that the WDC once made multi-level attractions that featured massive AA casts, wrapped around massive IMAX screens, and let you pick your own ending. They did this in the 1980s.

In many ways, the upcoming Star Wars land is a return to a format that was perfected in the early 80s. It’s simply been upgraded with better technology — which is how things should be done.
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I have watched many of those vids. I do regret not having gone back to see EPCOT Center but it was disappointing for a kid who had spent the late sixties and early 70s looking forward to E.P.C.O.T. to find out they were just building another theme park. The point of my post was that the interactive exhibits like were once such a part of Communicore/ Innoventions were my wife’s favourite part of the whole trip. She is a Disney movie fan but she loved seeing the kids play with the non IP stuff. Chip and Dale and Anna and Elsa got her in the park, but the kids showed her how cool the ghosts of Epcot past are. Most people it seems just want to run from one thing to the next and it makes me wonder how many kids are dragged away from the interactive spaces in the parks just to run to the next ride. I think it’s a shame and we made a point to go slow and enjoy the parks not just the rides.
 
yensidtlaw1969

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SteveAZee said:
The problem with Spaceship Earth is that is offends the flat earthers.
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I'd think the opposite, since SSE actually depicts the earth as flat:
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HauntedMansionFLA

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tirian said:
Watch @marni1971 ’s videos about Horizons. You’ll be floored that the WDC once made multi-level attractions that featured massive AA casts, wrapped around massive IMAX screens, and let you pick your own ending. They did this in the 1980s.

In many ways, the upcoming Star Wars land is a return to a format that was perfected in the early 80s. It’s simply been upgraded with better technology — which is how things should be done.
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Maybe bringing Star Wars into Epcot could inspire Disney to go back to this model?
 
brb1006

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Sneezy62 said:
I have watched many of those vids. I do regret not having gone back to see EPCOT Center but it was disappointing for a kid who had spent the late sixties and early 70s looking forward to E.P.C.O.T. to find out they were just building another theme park. The point of my post was that the interactive exhibits like were once such a part of Communicore/ Innoventions were my wife’s favourite part of the whole trip. She is a Disney movie fan but she loved seeing the kids play with the non IP stuff. Chip and Dale and Anna and Elsa got her in the park, but the kids showed her how cool the ghosts of Epcot past are. Most people it seems just want to run from one thing to the next and it makes me wonder how many kids are dragged away from the interactive spaces in the parks just to run to the next ride. I think it’s a shame and we made a point to go slow and enjoy the parks not just the rides.
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The original Imageworks also used to have very good interactivity for both adults and children.
 

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