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Rumor Is Indiana Jones Planning an Adventure to Disney's Animal Kingdom?

Pixieish

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Successful movies were imported into the parks, In tandem with original ideas. We got Lion King and Alien Encounter, Mermaid and Timekeeper.

Everest seems to be the last none IP project in Orlando. Right now Iger and Chapek have a mandate that everything new must be a cross promotion tie in. We would never see a Mystic Manor anywhere else with this mentality let alone a Thundermountain or a Spaceship Earth.
This last is a HUGE shame. And I'm of the opinion that they NEED to make a decent HM movie (let's face it - the Eddie Murphy one was awful). They could also do something for BTM. SSE might be tougher, but I bet if they set some creative minds loose with it they could come up with something.

I will admit that I looooved Tomorrowland. I know most people hate it, but I found it (the end especially) inspiring.
 

Magic Feather

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Successful movies were imported into the parks, In tandem with original ideas. We got Lion King and Alien Encounter, Mermaid and Timekeeper.

Everest seems to be the last none IP project in Orlando. Right now Iger and Chapek have a mandate that everything new must be a cross promotion tie in. We would never see a Mystic Manor anywhere else with this mentality let alone a Thundermountain or a Spaceship Earth.
Some recent proposals I have seen do have "cross promotion tie in" (with long justifications explained in the proposals), that are technically IP-less. While that may be the corporate wording for the mandate, the reality of the mandate is: Can this draw more revenue than simply from ticket sales? As in, will it have merch, food & bev, etc. accompanying it.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
Successful movies were imported into the parks, In tandem with original ideas. We got Lion King and Alien Encounter, Mermaid and Timekeeper.

Everest seems to be the last none IP project in Orlando. Right now Iger and Chapek have a mandate that everything new must be a cross promotion tie in. We would never see a Mystic Manor anywhere else with this mentality let alone a Thundermountain or a Spaceship Earth.
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FigmentJedi

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This last is a HUGE shame. And I'm of the opinion that they NEED to make a decent HM movie (let's face it - the Eddie Murphy one was awful). They could also do something for BTM. SSE might be tougher, but I bet if they set some creative minds loose with it they could come up with something.

I will admit that I looooved Tomorrowland. I know most people hate it, but I found it (the end especially) inspiring.
Disney Kingdoms's Big Thunder book was basically the Western equivalent of one of the modern Princess movies. Very adaptable.

Journey into Imagination's would be much easier to handle as a film then Spaceship Earth though. I would say if you had to try embodying the Epcot of old into a new media franchise, building off of Figment and Dreamfinder's comic books is how you do it and Spaceship Earth is already set to be a Macguffin for whenever they decide to do Figment 3.
 

Pixieish

Well-Known Member
Disney Kingdoms's Big Thunder book was basically the Western equivalent of one of the modern Princess movies. Very adaptable.

Journey into Imagination's would be much easier to handle as a film then Spaceship Earth though. I would say if you had to try embodying the Epcot of old into a new media franchise, building off of Figment and Dreamfinder's comic books is how you do it and Spaceship Earth is already set to be a Macguffin for whenever they decide to do Figment 3.
I would seriously freak the hell out if they did a Dreamfinder and Figment movie. Like lose my mind for a short while, be over the moon, joyful to the point of idiocy freak out.

As long as they did it right.
 

sedati

Well-Known Member
Epcot was a none IP park. MK was mainly none IP outside of Fantaysland as stated. Now IP is being shoved in anywhere they can, at the expense of an original story and original characters.
Original? Not to split hairs, but I don't think it's fair to categorize concepts as being either IP or original. A lot of what is being called original seems to really just be something that is new for Disney.

A studios theme park, and most every component within was new to Disney, but not what I would call original.

Epcot was by admission a World's Fair. Was making it permanent what makes it original? World Showcase type pavilions were nothing new, nor were science and technology attractions. Disney took much from it's own Ford's Magic Skyway to create both Universe of Energy and World of Motion. Horizons had simularities to Futurama.

Some Magic Kingdom attractions may not have played off any Disney specific IP, but their designers often took cues for both story and visuals from the IP of other studios.

I'm not saying there's a difference, but I think IPs are just striking people as too specific a tie-in, or too recent and familiar. The so-called original concepts are often really just "new to me" ideas. Disney crafting park experiences by building off the works and ideas of others- original and good. Disney crafting park experiences by building off the works and ideas of Disney- uninspired and bad.
 

sedati

Well-Known Member
Successful movies were imported into the parks, In tandem with original ideas. We got Lion King and Alien Encounter, Mermaid and Timekeeper.
Alien Encounter is an odd example as it grew out of an IP that was pulled. Would an attraction designed and built around the Guardians of the Galaxy world and characters suddenly become wholly original if late in the process they alternated the color scheme and switched out Star Lord for Space King, and Rocket Raccoon for Turbo Hampster? Would it be better?
 

Clopin Trouillefou

Active Member
Some recent proposals I have seen do have "cross promotion tie in" (with long justifications explained in the proposals), that are technically IP-less. While that may be the corporate wording for the mandate, the reality of the mandate is: Can this draw more revenue than simply from ticket sales? As in, will it have merch, food & bev, etc. accompanying it.
hi all, forgive me if I'm conflating things, but is the expectation still that primeval whirl/dino-spinner are removed next year, regardless of any potential indy presence? and is the hinted "don't cry for me anandapur" plan independent of this as well? I only get the chance to catch up on slow days so I thoroughly appreciate the info haha.
 

shortstop

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hi all, forgive me if I'm conflating things, but is the expectation still that primeval whirl/dino-spinner are removed next year, regardless of any potential indy presence? and is the hinted "don't cry for me anandapur" plan independent of this as well? I only get the chance to catch up on slow days so I thoroughly appreciate the info haha.
I'm no insider, but I don't think I've seen anyone say anything concrete with what will or won't be happening, so I wouldn't expect Dino-rama to be removed next year with the info we have.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
hi all, forgive me if I'm conflating things, but is the expectation still that primeval whirl/dino-spinner are removed next year, regardless of any potential indy presence? and is the hinted "don't cry for me anandapur" plan independent of this as well? I only get the chance to catch up on slow days so I thoroughly appreciate the info haha.
You can catch up on the latest here: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/rumor-and-timeline-tracker-v-2.934137/

Insiders say things likely to happen but no final decisions or timelines yet.
 

egg

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"Projects are being pushed through development because an executive insists on getting a new brand into the parks quickly."

Still waiting for the "quickly" part.

They're getting TRON into the parks at a breakneck speed. ;)
That's not always the case, but certainly is with things like FEA, MB, and this.
 

HauntedMansionFLA

Well-Known Member
Why is it the same people who criticize Disney for losing the synergistic Potter IP to Uni also criticize Disney for promoting franchises they actually own in the same way? Odd.
Who was the executive that let Harry Potter slip through their fingers? Frozen mania will be here again when the next movie comes out. Look out Speedway over at MK.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
That's not always the case, but certainly is with things like FEA, MB, and this.
FEA was indeed one of their quickest turnarounds from movie to ride: 31 months.

Coco will be similar at probably 30 months.

And from Vol 1 of GotG to Mission Breakout: 33 months. (Though, 6.7 years until the coaster.)

But I'm not sure if anyone wants to call 2 1/2 a half years "quickly." Additionally, it then becomes difficult to name any other 'quick' turnarounds, because, besides those few 'speedy' turnarounds, the numbers get worse for 'quick'...

It took 3 years for the first Toy Story attraction; 5 1/2 years for the TRON cycle at Shanghai (and that's counting from the sequel); Cars Land took 6 years; and it will be 6 1/2 years from purchasing LucasFilm to the first SWL opening.

The one time Disney was really really quick was opening "It's Tough to be a Bug" 7 months before the movie premier.

And... where are the attractions (or even the announcements for the attractions) based on: WALL-E, Up, The Princess and the Frog, Tangled, Wreck-It-Ralph, Big Hero 6, Inside Out, or Moana? If there are going to be any more quick turnarounds, then, they need to get working on more IPs right now... and it doesn't seem they are except for the small handful already announced.

Handy chart...

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Now, I'm not saying there isn't a IP push... I'm quibbling over the offhand description of that push as happening 'quickly.'

Note that I didn't even include the length of time between Steam Boat Willie and M&MRR. ;)
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
Now, I'm not saying there isn't a IP push... I'm quibbling over the offhand description of that push as happening 'quickly.'

Note that I didn't even include the length of time between Steam Boat Willie and M&MRR. ;)
LOL @ the last one. :)

That said, I think that chart does kind of demonstrate a strike against the "they are just tie-in promotion" idea of synergy. If they were doing that, they would be coordinating the attractions for release concurrently with the films. What is kind of funny is that a few years ago, a lot of the members here were complaining that Disney *didn't* have anything major ready to go for Frozen (the quote I remember seeing most was "Iger was too (whatever) to believe enough in the film").

What it feels like to me is that they have a property, it becomes successful, and they add it to the parks to please the people coming to the parks who want to see them. It's difficult for me to think it's all about "promoting" IPs that are long out on home video before most of these actually appear.
 
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