Rumor Is Indiana Jones Planning an Adventure to Disney's Animal Kingdom?

[WDWTank]

But it has a BACKSTORY! So it's amazzzzing!

I mean, it's clever. For a carnival, they did a great job, I'd love to see Disney do my local carnival, but I don't want this in a park like Animal Kingdom which has gone nowhere but up (for a change at WDW).

It’s good for children too. Remember, before Pandora, there wasn’t much for them to do.

 

[WDWTank]

I wonder why they didn’t complete the theme with nasty looking roadside carnival restrooms. Complete with broken toilets that aren’t really jacked up, but artsy sculptures.

The broken toilets are the artsy sculptures

 

[Kman101]

It’s good for children too. Remember, before Pandora, there wasn’t much for them to do.

Another reason why they need a slow moving dark ride added to the park. Agreed that there isn't much for little ones. A Bug's Land could have been beneficial to the park (and also could have been to DHS back in the day before TSL, though both wouldn't have hurt), it's too bad Dinorama sits on that plot because it's the perfect spot for the once planned coaster.

Although I still have a tough time picturing A Bug's Land in Animal Kingdom (not that it's ever happening, just saying I end up having a hard time placing it there and having it feel like it "belongs" ... they do have bugs playing in the Tree, but bugs *in* a tree works).

 

[WowFactor]

Its disgusting that Hollywood Studios is full price to visit right now.

Naked truth

 

[bstiles]

This is the equivalent of creating a fake turd and telling everyone it’s better then a real one because it doesn’t smell.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Not to knock the work, but another example when theme doesn’t translate.

Exactly, the theme of the land doesn't lend itself to a great themed environment. The best version of a lousy theme can only be so good.

 

[FigmentJedi]

It's ironic, isn't it, that run-down Africa and Asia is deemed to be thematic excellence but run-down Americana is deemed to be trash?

No, wait, this requires a meme...

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No, the problem we have with Dinorama is it looks like the best section of the worst amusement park in the world. It's aesthetically displeasing in a park that is otherwise excellent.

As I've kept going on and on about, the problem with Dinorama is that they approached the "Roadside Dinosaur Americana" thing from a misguided and inaccurate perspective. Like a carnival midway is very much a "One of these things is not like the other things" choice for what to put into a "Great American Roadtrip town obsessed with dinosaurs" setting. Like pretty much every roadside dinosaur park that's existed is a walkthru/drivethru low-tech folkart tour through prehistory and B-Movie tropes laid out in a woodsy setting that'd lend itself well to a prehistoric pastiche of the Jungle Cruise or if they bothered to do more with the "We're grabbing dinosaurs from the past" thing from the Dino Institute side of things, give us some encounters between "real" dinosaurs and their dated concrete counterparts.

 

[No Name]

It’s good for children too. Remember, before Pandora, there wasn’t much for them to do.

Primeval Whirl ties for the highest height requirement at the resort.

 

[WDWTank]

Primeval Whirl ties for the highest height requirement at the resort.

True...
But Triceratops Spin?

 

[ElBendro]

It’s good for children too.

Maybe you think it is, but a majority of guests (not just people on this board) think otherwise.

 

[mikejs78]

And one more thing to add, just think of how many families say the All Star, Pop and Art of Animation resorts "are" Disney to them. If a resort doesn't have a big plastic figure of a Disney character it's not "Disney enough" to a lot of people. It's really frustrating because it seems these are who the parks are listening to. Or who the parks want to listen to.

Isn't that the point though? For some people, the All Stars are Disney. And TSL will be Disney for them and a really fun experience. Other people are more Port Orleans, or Yacht and Beach, or Poly. And others want more immersive lands. And it's not like we aren't getting those - Pandora, Galaxy's Edge. I think this is more of Disney catering to different demographics than Disney simply catering to one.

And it strikes me as somewhat condescending to imply that people who love the All Stars and that side of Disney have no taste. Disney can have lots of different experiences that cater to different people. Are the Teacups cheap? Dumbo? Not my favorites, I haven't ridden them in years, but for many Dumbo is something they are nostalgic for and want to take there kids.

TSL will be fine. Not Earth shattering, not immensely themed, but fine. People will love it and it will help the park.

Now C&H (not Dinoland as a whole) on the other hand has no redeeming value in my mind, and from what I've gathered, doesn't do too well on satisfaction surveys...

 

[Bocabear]

Isn't that the point though? For some people, the All Stars are Disney. And TSL will be Disney for them and a really fun experience. Other people are more Port Orleans, or Yacht and Beach, or Poly. And others want more immersive lands. And it's not like we aren't getting those - Pandora, Galaxy's Edge. I think this is more of Disney catering to different demographics than Disney simply catering to one.

And it strikes me as somewhat condescending to imply that people who love the All Stars and that side of Disney have no taste. Disney can have lots of different experiences that cater to different people. Are the Teacups cheap? Dumbo? Not my favorites, I haven't ridden them in years, but for many Dumbo is something they are nostalgic for and want to take there kids.

TSL will be fine. Not Earth shattering, not immensely themed, but fine. People will love it and it will help the park.

Now C&H (not Dinoland as a whole) on the other hand has no redeeming value in my mind, and from what I've gathered, doesn't do too well on satisfaction surveys...

but my question is, When did "fine" become good enough for a Disney Theme Park? that is the real issue. Disney is the premium entertainment company worldwide....It is a premium priced product for it's consumers... How then is "fine" ok? There is no limit to the creativity within the organization...this just comes off as cheap, uninspired, and Chester and Hester part 2

 

[MisterPenguin]

but my question is, When did "fine" become good enough for a Disney Theme Park?

Maybe it's the rock facade and general look of Tomorrowland, or the state of Space Mountain, or 4 spinners in one park, or a treehouse, or Storybook Circus, or every B and C level ride, or letting Innoventions become outdated almost as soon as it was built, or hanging onto MSEP for so long, or thinking MK's PotC is really good, or letting dinosaurs be part of a so-called educational attraction about energy, or a Nemo omnimover book report ride which fails at being a book report, or an Ariel omnimover ride where a lot of the 'AAs' are fish on a stick moving back and forth or just glued to the wall, or a Fantasmic! show with an incomprehensible Pocahontas plot point, or a Dinosaur ride which thinks shaking you back and forth is thrilling, or a Dinorama coaster ride which thinks shaking you back and forth is thrilling, or a DAK water ride which thinks a minute ride with a mild slope is thrilling...

Compared to any of that, TSL is better than fine.

And since when does building a lower level land that is sandwiched between two excellent world class lands of Pandora and SWL (two of those) a sign that Disney is settling for fine? To look at TSL in a vacuum and ignore the lands that came before and will soon follow and conclude that Disney is settling for fine is actually quite laughable in how cherry-picked that data is.

Especially when you consider that TSL is providing what the experts say DHS needs: more lower-level rides to 'eat people.'

Job done.

 

[larryz]

Maybe it's the rock facade and general look of Tomorrowland, or the state of Space Mountain, or 4 spinners in one park, or a treehouse, or Storybook Circus, or every B and C level ride, or letting Innoventions become outdated almost as soon as it was built, or hanging onto MSEP for so long, or thinking MK's PotC is really good, or letting dinosaurs be part of a so-called educational attraction about energy, or a Nemo omnimover book report ride which fails at being a book report, or an Ariel omnimover ride where a lot of the 'AAs' are fish on a stick moving back and forth or just glued to the wall, or a Fantasmic! show with an incomprehensible Pocahontas plot point, or a Dinosaur ride which thinks shaking you back and forth is thrilling, or a Dinorama coaster ride which thinks shaking you back and forth is thrilling, or a DAK water ride which thinks a minute ride with a mild slope is thrilling...

Compared to any of that, TSL is better than fine.

And since when does building a lower level land that is sandwiched between two excellent world class lands of Pandora and SWL (two of those) a sign that Disney is settling for fine? To look at TSL in a vacuum and ignore the lands that came before and will soon follow and conclude that Disney is settling for fine is actually quite laughable in how cherry-picked that data is.

Especially when you consider that TSL is providing what the experts say DHS needs: more lower-level rides to 'eat people.'

Job done.

Well, perhaps The Disney Company is victim of a legacy of excellence and innovation that his MBA and accountants just can't match...

 

[Animaniac93-98]

For what Disney spent on it, TSL should be more than "fine". Or at least in addition to something else. That's the real issue.

 

[MisterPenguin]

For what Disney spent on it, TSL should be more than "fine". Or at least in addition to something else. That's the real issue.

Right. And Disney spends more that one would think necessary for lands of excellence, also.

 

[FerretAfros]

And since when does building a lower level land that is sandwiched between two excellent world class lands of Pandora and SWL (two of those) a sign that Disney is settling for fine? To look at TSL in a vacuum and ignore the lands that came before and will soon follow and conclude that Disney is settling for fine is actually quite laughable in how cherry-picked that data is.

But since when are there "levels" to Disney's themed areas? Until you brought up the idea of an "E-Level Land" in the TSL thread a couple weeks ago, there had never been any discussion of ranking lands in terms of execution. All lands were assumed to be treated with a similar attention to detail, even the much-derided and fundamentally flawed Dinorama.

Regardless of whether an attraction was an A-ticket walkthrough or E-ticket extravaganza, it is always expected to be executed at a high level. Similar to a high-end restaurant that monitors the quality of their salads and entrees alike, a high-end park is made up of many smaller experiences that should all reflect the quality level.

Why are entire lands being treated differently? When has this approach ever been part of the discussion in the past?

 

[MisterPenguin]

But since when are there "levels" to Disney's themed areas? Until you brought up the idea of an "E-Level Land" in the TSL thread a couple weeks ago, there had never been any discussion of ranking lands in terms of execution. All lands were assumed to be treated with a similar attention to detail, even the much-derided and fundamentally flawed Dinorama.

Regardless of whether an attraction was an A-ticket walkthrough or E-ticket extravaganza, it is always expected to be executed at a high level. Similar to a high-end restaurant that monitors the quality of their salads and entrees alike, a high-end park is made up of many smaller experiences that should all reflect the quality level.

Why are entire lands being treated differently? When has this approach ever been part of the discussion in the past?

So, we're just going to view Pandora and SWL and Potterlands just as the same old lands like a Frontier Land and not distinguish what's happening there apart from the legacy lands?

 

[FerretAfros]

So, we're just going to view Pandora and SWL and Potterlands just as the same old lands like a Frontier Land and not distinguish what's happening there apart from the legacy lands?

Yes. Just like we always have.

I don't see a significant difference in quality between Frontierland and Pandora. Yes, the design approach and focus have shifted a little through the years, and rockwork is more realistic now than in the past, but I think the overall quality is on par. TSL is a significant drop from all previous expectations, even for less-than-perfect areas like Dinorama and Tomorrowland

 

[No Name]

or letting dinosaurs be part of a so-called educational attraction about energy

But they're letting Andy's backyard be part of a so-called theme park celebrating show business? It can't work both ways.