NotCalledBob
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This. Plus general wear and tear on the attraction. One theater rotated saves a whole lot on maintenence.
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This. Plus general wear and tear on the attraction. One theater rotated saves a whole lot on maintenence.
networkpro
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- In the Parks
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For Thanksgiving week it's a smaller crowd. For the first time in since the early 2000's we decided to spend a few weeks with the South Mouse. Dining availability for almost everywhere is wide open with walkup available. For unfathomable reasons Ohana is booked solid, I hope that Moana Merchantile is well stocked with antacid and gastric distress remedies.
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
That Disney difference
We need to give Burbank a break. Everybody has been complaining lately about daily maintenance budgets being slashed with rides and other attractions being maintained poorly and so forth. YES!,...Burbank NEEDS to keep costs as rock-bottom low as possible...and...keep prices as high as possible to balance it's books today. It's simple profit & loss math. We need to cut them some slack and ride this out with them. Disney has promised us 60 billion dollars in Parks and Experience spending just down the road. Soon the calvary will come and classic Disney QUALITY will return to normal and we will have spectacular new stuff to enjoy. We just need to hold on a bit longer and everything will be perfectly OK again. Have some hope and patience folks. Please?
Chi84
Premium Member
What?
John park hopper
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Was this written in Fantasy Land ?
Nah,..just trying my best to support the Disney "p-dusters" in the world and helping them find a way to cope.
Chi84
Premium Member
Seems you get quite a kick out of complaining.
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
Uh…What?
So we should just give Disney a break, pay more, and accept more problems and bad decisions than ever before?
Maybe if they managed their money better in the company (looking at you movie and D+ division) it wouldn't be so hard for them to balance their books.
Also the expansion means nothing if whatever they build works about as well as Tiana’s does. Is that the classic Disney quality and new spectacular things you refer to?
If you want we can meet at Epcot’s middle school cafeteria, oops I mean Communicore Hall. We can enjoy a $6+ Mickey’s Premium Ice Cream Bar and a $5 Coke. It’s right past the ever so Epcot fitting Moana’s water fountains and near Walt sitting on the toilet where the odd planter with the rarely working Epcot ground lights are. Classic Disney quality.
We can’t stay long though because I’ll of course had paid $449 for a lightning lane premier pass so I can skip the line one time at It’s a Small World. This way I can get back to my $25k DVC trailer cabin at Fort Wilderness early and enjoy the magic.
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Don’t see a shareholder revolt like the one Roy Disney led to force Eisner to quit so all this is just feedback nothing like a revolt to change execs.
OK,..I'm switching to "serious" mode now. (I hate doing that)
Yes, prices are extremely high but what else do you want Burbank to do?
1.) Attendance drops. (Burbank has publicly stated this SEVERAL times and this is a concrete fact)
2.) ARPU (average revenue per user) must go UP to compensate for the profit loss.
3.) Attendance drops further.
4) Burbank raises prices even higher to compensate.
5) Wash, rinse, repeat...a true "vicious circle".
Ironically!,...this IS paying off for Burbank. Disney is reporting that attendance is dropping "BUT" revenue is holding flat "because" guests that DO go,..ARE...paying the higher and higher costs. This tactic is leading to no significant bottom-line profit loss for Parks and Experiences division, as a whole.
Can you blame Burbank now? Nope!
Amidst falling and falling people numbers.
Amidst larger and larger daily operations and attraction maintenance cuts.
Amidst deeper cuts in live entertainment.
Amidst extreme price hikes for tickets, food, and merchandise.
Burbank has managed to pull a financial rabbit out of the hat and hold bottom-line revenue steady.
Look,... "legacy" fans are able to see what has been thrown away in the past decade. We know how things "used to be". Today's modern fans don't know what "we" know. They are there to take selfies in front of the castle for Instagram or TikTok. They are there to look cool and "flex" on social media. They are just happy to BE there in general. Most "normie" guests don't give a damn about ANYTHING that "we" care about and talk about on this forum.
99% of park guests today do NOT know the names "Tony Baxter" or "Joe Rhode" or "Marty Sklar". Yes, these people DO know who Walt Disney is but 99% could NOT tell you the name of Walt's brother. These are the giant masses of people that Burbank is counting on to float the parks...and they are right. It's working.
Statistically speaking, our complaints about the degradation of parks quality over the years falls on deaf ears in Burbank. They...don't...need...people...like...us. Burbank is NOT run by people who think like "WE" do anymore. They are not "fans" like us anymore. Those "legacy" employees have been pushed out and run away in the last 10 years by executives who do NOT care about the LEGACY of this company in the way "we" do on this forum! Many in Burbank today actually have literal DISDAIN for Disney's past and would rather see it swept under the carpet.
Many creatives that made Disney Parks what they are were hired by Universal or other entertainment companies. Burbank did not value them or care about them and THAT is why you are seeing a giant and sudden explosion of creativity from Universal and other theme park and IAAPA industry groups.
It's the "know-nothing, normie" people that Disney is aiming for,..not us and Disney is successfully hitting it's target.
In my opinion,...It's sad but true.
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networkpro
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I do agree with Cliff about the management intent, but the markets need to normalize the "Good Will" that's baked into the share price. If they are just out for a normie customer, they need to adjust their new content and offerings to reflect normie expectations which are not fringe to either the left or right.
Nubs70
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If there is no pride in product and static revenue is preferred, this is the path DIS will take.
Take the Bengals tears ago, ticket sales were great and profits were excellent but the team absolutely sucked.
Why spend money to improve the team or facility when profits are entirely acceptable?
bjlc57
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but this is a SHORT TERM WIN. meaning that prices can only go up SO FAR.. and attendance drop SO MUCH before the slipper slope appears.. and its REALLY REALLY CLOSE.. and once this happens.. its OVER FOR THE MOUSE.. i mean OVER.. the laws of economics apply to every one .. including DISNEY.. and this is the road to DISASTER .. and we are already going on it.. and it has to stop or the backwards train won't save us from the yeti this time..
Good point.
I think that Burbank is only asking the question: "What do the masses of "normie" fans care about?" and the answer they found was "They want easy movie IP and nothing more". Burbank is only reaching for the low-hanging fruit on the tree. Well?...yeah, there is soooo much of it to take, why not? Traditional Disney "quality" is not needed anymore. Burbank doesn't need to work hard and spend a TON of money to impress "most" people anymore. "Legacy fans" have VERY HIGH standards because we were programed by the greats of Disney's past to do that!! However, Burbank figured out that today's "modern" fans are MUCH easier to please. They can easily,..I mean: EASILY impress the masses of "normies" with MUCH less cost and effort and bring in a higher profit margins.
The people in this forum are NOT the people that Burbank is trying to impress today. We are just a 1% slice of the REAL audience they want. So far,...it's working. The parks today are holding and they are considered successful...even with all of the deep quality problems they have.
Those future D23 Blue Sky announcements? Let's all watch what happens. That Monsters Inc land? I bet you that budgets start out healthy, then each construction quarter that goes by, they slash more and more money out of it. We KNOW that by the end, it will STILL go WAAAY over budget and will not look HALF as good as we expected it to from the original ideas. Yes,...this will happen to every single D23 announcement. For those of us that closely watch this stuff,...you know it's true.
But,...statistically speaking, virtually nobody cares...right? Normies will LOVE everything they build and Burbank will pat itself on the back and call itself great.
Oh well,...It is what it is.
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
Ok hear me out…and I know this is crazy…but what if Disney actually managed and planned out their theme parks better where there weren’t attendance drops and the need to massively increase prices to make up for their failures?
Jrb1979
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They couldn't afford to. They needed that money to make D+ profitable.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
…one born every minute
Tony the Tigger
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And we’ve got an average of 20 years left, so there’s math.