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Is attendance really down at WDW this or…
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JD80
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From the TEA report last year, just pulling out Florida numbers.
Basically there are 11.2M less people going to Uni/Dis compared to 2019 vs 2022. Disney saw the brunt of that and Uni gained 478,000 new guests vs. 2019.
Can't wait for the '23 numbers.
Disneyhead'71
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Universal is having a soft summer. Weekends are crowded but weekdays are seeing low crowd levels.
el_super
Well-Known Member
You're kind of right. Iger admitted that they make more money when the parks are less busy. In the end this *IS* about extracting more money from their guests, and their revenue reports over the last six quarters shows significant gains.
If this were some unintended precipitous fall in attendance that was out of their control, why not more course correction then? Why not steeper and heavier discounts or even a lowering of prices? If they knew since last year what their attendance was going to start looking like, why haven't they taken drastic action to correct it?
The point here is that it isn't unexpected and that's why they have done so little to try to correct for it.
Spending less to extract more from WDW seems like a very 2018 thing to do. What was the problem again in 2018?
Have you emailed this to Michael Nathanson yet?
It is still pretty funny to me that some would think Disney is legitimately tanking their theme park business, and the only ones in the world that are smart enough to see it are the four or five that hang out on message boards. That the actual managers, board members and investors of the company, quite literally thousands of people at this point, that spend 40 hours a week toiling over the numbers just can't see what they do...
They are going to be fine.
Disstevefan1
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I wish Disney's movie business worried about margins
LSLS
Well-Known Member
Yeah they will be interesting. I'm just going off the Comcast quarterly reports where they state revenue is down in Orlando throughout last year.
According to PCDev's vlog from earlier in the week Disney was inflating their wait times significantly to try and sell G+.
So we can't really use wait times to judge how busy the parks are.
Side note. The day of this video the Universal unlimited express pass was selling for $272 per person for the day. I know it's far superior to G+......but is anyone really paying that price?
So we can't really use wait times to judge how busy the parks are.
Side note. The day of this video the Universal unlimited express pass was selling for $272 per person for the day. I know it's far superior to G+......but is anyone really paying that price?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
It’s the 12 hours up until that 30 minutes where they are losing potential revenue all day…
…at 4 parks
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
Be careful, there are passionate folks on these boards that get triggered when someone talks about Disney purposely inflating wait times.
The consensus on these boards is that Disney is not purposely inflating posted wait times; its that there are too many variables to properly calculate wait times; Disney can't accurately calculate wait times because its not possible.
Folks are free to speculate on their own as to why the wait times seem to be inflated
Andrew25
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Wait-Time Inflation Equation =
Actual Wait Time + Adjustment For Reduced Standby Capacity to accommodate Lightning Lane + Adjustment For Taking Attraction Downtime Into Account + Adjustment for DAS
Pros
Cons
My issue with inflating waits, is that a guest who is not interested in an hour long wait will pass on the attraction hoping waits are reduced later in the day... only to find out the attraction goes down for 1-2 hours and is unable to experience it that day.
Actual Wait Time + Adjustment For Reduced Standby Capacity to accommodate Lightning Lane + Adjustment For Taking Attraction Downtime Into Account + Adjustment for DAS
Pros
- Guests "feel" happier because they waited less than expected
- Helps move guests to attractions with lower weights
Cons
- Guests are deterred from waiting in line because the posted wait is over what they are willing to wait
- Guests may feel like they were "forced" to get LL in order to experience everything they wanted to
My issue with inflating waits, is that a guest who is not interested in an hour long wait will pass on the attraction hoping waits are reduced later in the day... only to find out the attraction goes down for 1-2 hours and is unable to experience it that day.
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
This was my personal opinion, but I got quickly shot down on these boards.
Vacationeer
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
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I would have thought the same until a friend of mine paid over $200 for each of her 3 kids, on top of buying 1 day 2 park tickets for their family of 5. At first it seemed crazy to me. I’m thinking wouldn’t it have been better to buy one AP and stay in a room that included? But it actually wasn’t a bad play. The 5 of them stayed in very nice yet cheap VRBO for the week and their kids knocked UO out in one day. That left them more time and money to do other things in Florida. I tried my best to price out a better option and it all came out to similar money but more time spent.
They used to do a better job of it.
Disstevefan1
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Yea, they used to hand out the red card on the lanyard when guests entered the queue and they handed it in when they got on the ride; actual measurements.
It's almost as if Universal wants to entice guests, particularly Florida residents, into coming with actual deals.
Andrew25
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I'd argue this is a response to WDW's $235 for 4 days ticket deal for FL residents.It's almost as if Universal wants to entice guests, particularly Florida residents, into coming with actual deals.
While unlimited admission isn't comparable to 4 days... most who purchase the UOR deal probably won't attend more than 4 days anyway.
Good luck finding dates for that $235 deal. The number at that price was very limited from what I saw earlier this summer. ETA: I guess I was looking at the non-resident $89/day for 3 days and $99/day for 4 days deals. Which are still a far cry from what Universal is offering.
They did a much more accurate job when they didn't have FP, FP+,LL, DAS...