Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[V_L_Raptor]

Considering the various DVC deploys and conversions going on all over the place, I wonder how long it would be until they introduce DVC magic hours in the parks as a value-add to promote.

Not that they’re operating at a volume that would make sense right now, but down the road, they might look to edge out the average park goer/AP holder for something else exclusive, while giving back a popular benefit that’s been cut back, if to their target demographic.

Just spitballing. How many DVC room nights on a consistent basis would make something like that feasible?

 

[Willmark]

If you wanted that same level of ride access at Disney it would be like $500/day. More people want to be at Disney.

Disney can’t even get close because of capacity. Price isn’t the issue. The fact that haven’t built anything but replacements is.

 

[Willmark]

And to add Disney’s rides aren’t worth spending $500 extra on. It’s about access. And for the cost of a hypothetical $500 a day? No way. The value simply is not there . At CP it is. A hypothetical $500 for the “privilege of what exactly?”

The only ride comparable to anything at CP is maybe EE or really really stretching it BTMR.

YMMV.

 

[Br'er Platypus]

If you wanted that same level of ride access at Disney it would be like $500/day. More people want to be at Disney.

*checks price tag of upcoming trip*

To be fair, that sounds like a bargain.

 

[Lilofan]

They have a completely different attraction mix that is less skewed toward animatronic-heavy rides.

UNI has more high tech rides. The jury is out if when Epic opens Universal can even have the staffing to maintain and service these rides with knowledgeable staff while park is open and closed. . Wait and see.

 

[Trauma]

They have a completely different attraction mix that is less skewed toward animatronic-heavy rides.

They have the resources to do proper maintenance. They don’t want to spend the money.

It’s pathetic how much downtime Disney has been having.

I’m tired of the excuses for this company. You don’t get to charge these prices and deliver a Six Flags experience.

 

[Nubs70]

They have a completely different attraction mix that is less skewed toward animatronic-heavy rides.

If you can change an actuator on a brake system, you can change an actuator
on an animatronic.

 

[Lilofan]

They have the resources to do proper maintenance. They don’t want to spend the money.

It’s pathetic how much downtime Disney has been having.

I’m tired of the excuses for this company. You don’t get to charge these prices and deliver a Six Flags experience.

The new President at WDW before he got promoted was in charge of all maint at WDW.

 

[Jrb1979]

UNI has more high tech rides. The jury is out if when Epic opens Universal can even have the staffing to maintain and service these rides with knowledgeable staff while park is open and closed. . Wait and see.

I'm not worried about them. Universal does close rides for refurbishment often. Something Disney rarely does now.

 

[Willmark]

I'm not worried about them. Universal does close rides for refurbishment often. Something Disney rarely does now.

Well, when you have so few rides? It makes sense. They can’t have any one ride down for too long because they have no elasticity in capacity.

 

[Nubs70]

The new President at WDW before he got promoted was in charge of all maint at WDW.

So this new President is well versed in cost containment?

 

[Lilofan]

So this new President is well versed in cost containment?

The long time Disney CM apparently convinced his bosses to get the top job.

 

[Lilofan]

I'm not worried about them. Universal does close rides for refurbishment often. Something Disney rarely does now.

That’s another topic. Remains to be seen if rides will be staffed with knowledgeable techs for prevent maint and overnight repair.

 

[Jrb1979]

That’s another topic. Remains to be seen if rides will be staffed with knowledgeable techs for prevent maint and overnight repair.

I'm sure they will be. Their rides don't seem to go down as much as Disneys do.

 

[Lilofan]

I'm sure they will be. Their rides don't seem to go down as much as Disneys do.

Doubt it. One day , Grigots , Transformers MIB and others kept breaking down .

 

[bwr827]

And to add Disney’s rides aren’t worth spending $500 extra on. It’s about access. And for the cost of a hypothetical $500 a day? No way. The value simply is not there . At CP it is. A hypothetical $500 for the “privilege of what exactly?”

The only ride comparable to anything at CP is maybe EE or really really stretching it BTMR.

YMMV.

If it were offered, people would pay. WDW has some world-class attractions and many that are special for countless other reasons to many people.

But it would continue to hurt the average consumers who either can’t afford it or maybe could pay but instead say “the value is simply not there.” It would make the typical experience even more broken.

$500 is obviously an arbitrary, made-up figure. Point is it would be dramatically more expensive to get that kind of access.

Totally agree that capacity is the key, though. They MUST build additional capacity.

 

[Lilofan]

Well, when you have so few rides? It makes sense. They can’t have any one ride down for too long because they have no elasticity in capacity.

One time we heard through the grapevine that RnR could not open on time because not enough trained CMs came to work that morning. Opened up a few hours later. Reminds me of flying. Not enough crew the plane’s departure is affected.

 

[JD80]

As they chip away at their grossly inflated rack rates - both thru promotional discounts and quiet rollbacks - it's worth noticing that they appear to be far less willing to move on the values.

Two things in the works:

- Further capacity reduction, and

- Shifting inventory to other booking sites. It's been a bit since they dumped a mess of "less desirable" rooms out to the less-controlled corners of the internet.

Interesting times.

Can you list some rollbacks? Curious to know what you've noticed. I haven't been tracking rates in the last 3-4 months.

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

Doubt it. One day , Grigots , Transformers MIB and others kept breaking down .

I know this isn't about a long trip to Universal, but we went last year for 3 1/2 days and we went commando. Several attractions all day long. During that time NONE of the attractions were closed down. That includes both parks (we don't do the water parks). It was so nice to be able to go to an attraction, ride it, and continue on to where we wanted to go without delays. Maybe we were lucky? Don't know for sure. I do know that WDW has way more closed down attractions than I have ever experienced in all my years of going to WDW, from l977 to present. I think people might get "used" to seeing this all the time and consider it normal. I don't know, but I do know it is way more than used to be and there is no good excuse, IMO, for this to happen so often.

 

[Trauma]

I know this isn't about a long trip to Universal, but we went last year for 3 1/2 days and we went commando. Several attractions all day long. During that time NONE of the attractions were closed down. That includes both parks (we don't do the water parks). It was so nice to be able to go to an attraction, ride it, and continue on to where we wanted to go without delays. Maybe we were lucky? Don't know for sure. I do know that WDW has way more closed down attractions than I have ever experienced in all my years of going to WDW, from l977 to present. I think people might get "used" to seeing this all the time and consider it normal. I don't know, but I do know it is way more than used to be and there is no good excuse, IMO, for this to happen so often.

Read your post so I randomly opened MDE. Took me 3 seconds to find the first one