Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[JoeCamel]

Maybe it’s been different in Canada - 18-20% is not our historic norm. That would have been for very special service, from the average customer.

Google says England it is 10% or less and try getting a tip from most of Europe. This is a US thing

Interesting and well done graphic of tipping around the world here

Mapped: How Much Should You Tip In Each Country?

How much should you tip in each country for a restaurant, or a hotel? These maps show average tips in restaurants, hotels, and taxis.

www.visualcapitalist.com

 

[celluloid]

WDW years ago, was the service standard of 15 percent for Lunch/lesser service and 18 percent for Dinner.

This has not been a cultural typical the way it once was.

 

[celluloid]

There is a proposal to make tips tax free.

It's a valid concept and point in my opinion, as it is meant/fits descriptor to be a choice amount gifted for service

 

[Lilofan]

Google says England it is 10% or less and try getting a tip from most of Europe. This is a US thing

Interesting and well done graphic of tipping around the world here

Mapped: How Much Should You Tip In Each Country?

How much should you tip in each country for a restaurant, or a hotel? These maps show average tips in restaurants, hotels, and taxis.

www.visualcapitalist.com

Friend who moved to Orlando and is a server in the tourist corridor depends on all guests from all over the world for business and tips. Your feedback is more than spot on! In his work place the tip explanation and why to tip is written even on the check .

 

[GhostHost1000]

Tips began as a way to show appreciation for someone providing great service or going above and beyond. Now it has become a way to supplement their actual pay so the employer doesn’t have to.

They pay staff less, bare minimum, and expect the customers to give them extra money regardless of service to cover the difference.

As inflation has raised prices, and many disney meals over $50 per person, 20% for a family of 4 at a character buffet where the wait staff basically just fills your drinks and cleans the table when your done, can be around $50 more. It’s gotten out of hand, and just another reason you are seeing more dining availability.

 

[LSLS]

This is a Disney fan site. For years posters were complaining about long lines and hard to get reservations.

Now posters are complaining about the opposite.
Just saying..

People aren't complaining attendance is down, that's simply fact. The complaints would be the lines are NOT shorter despite attendance being significantly down.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

MK attendance in 2019 (max ever recorded: 20,963,000
Parks revenue for 2019: $26.2B
MK attendance in 2022: 17,133,000
Parks revenue for 2022: $28.2B

What does “parks revenue” include?

 

[Lilofan]

Dumber all the way to the bank I guess. Just for context:

MK attendance in 2019 (max ever recorded: 20,963,000
Parks revenue for 2019: $26.2B
MK attendance in 2022: 17,133,000
Parks revenue for 2022: $28.2B

Either they have figured out how to get more from less, or WDW just isn't all that important to their numbers anymore.

Yes, Disney had successfully figured out to extract more from less.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Yes, Disney had successfully figured out to extract more from less.

When nothing more can be squeezed / wrenched out, the bottom-line hits rock bottom and there is huge financial loss with no fix, then there will be change in management (on many levels). Mostly rats bailing from the sinking ship. Ahhhhh but it is a big ship and right now ballast is being dumped, moved around and even some counter flooding to keep the ship at even keel. It will be a while for things to get critical.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There’s a great article about the attendance problems on Bloomberg today…I’ll try to get it off the paywall


…you know?….slow news day and all

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

We all know about the revenge travelling profits after the pandemic ended. That's all come to a crashing halt.

Actually the travel profits have only accelerated…

…just not at Orlando mega parks

 

[GhostHost1000]

Actually the travel profits have only accelerated…

…just not at Orlando mega parks

I wonder why

I’m sure things will recover next year when they open….wait….hold on….it’ll come to me…

………..

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

When nothing more can be squeezed / wrenched out, the bottom-line hits rock bottom and there is huge financial loss with no fix, then there will be change in management (on many levels). Mostly rats bailing from the sinking ship. Ahhhhh but it is a big ship and right now ballast is being dumped, moved around and even some counter flooding to keep the ship at even keel. It will be a while for things to get critical.

That’s the perfect analogy

They are declining but have always had the benefit of reputation and prestige to bleed when management screws up.

The sense now is Wall Street isn’t buying it and the bad management is just waiting by the door of the plane for as long as they can before they pull the ripcord.

Some are even lining up there distraction gigs…like soccer teams

 

[John park hopper]

The days of relying on the Disney brand and reputation has been every damaged by the current management and they don't care Bob will walk away even richer with his golden retirement --what does he care about the companies future --zilch.

 

[easyrowrdw]

There’s a great article about the attendance problems on Bloomberg today…I’ll try to get it off the paywall


…you know?….slow news day and all

Is this the article? The full thing loads for me without any login.

TBH, it doesn't seem to be well-written. It references a high-end trip of $40,000, which hardly seems like a representative figure. It talks about parking fees, which have thankfully been eliminated for a while now. It lists G+ prices of $30-$100 per person, which isn't close to accurate. And so on. Maybe when interviewing Testa they could've had him fact check too lol

 

[John park hopper]

Stock 94.28 today trending down

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Is this the article? The full thing loads for me without any login.

TBH, it doesn't seem to be well-written. It references a high-end trip of $40,000, which hardly seems like a representative figure. It talks about parking fees, which have thankfully been eliminated for a while now. It lists G+ prices of $30-$100 per person, which isn't close to accurate. And so on. Maybe when interviewing Testa they could've had him fact check too lol

It has a high school paper quality to it. Far from perfect

But I look a it this way: I don’t expect any “pro money” outlet to level any criticism at sacred cow Disney

To identify any problem is huge

 

[el_super]

What does “parks revenue” include?

In this context, it is the reported earnings for what is now Disney Experiences, which includes the theme parks, resorts, cruise line and for some reason consumer products.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Stock 94.28 today trending down

Getting close to the slappy chappy line

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In this context, it is the reported earnings for what is now Disney Experiences, which includes the theme parks, resorts, cruise line and for some reason consumer products.

That’s not parks, genius

It’s parks and Everything with a price tag on it.

Try to keep up