Mem11
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Sure, just like the previous 23 Summers.
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Is attendance really down at WDW this or…
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flynnibus
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You are assuming a single finite queue. That’s not reality in wdw. Majority of attractions have two queues, one of which can be very fluid… and compounding that problem, that queue which you don’t know how many people are actually going to enter… has higher priority than the queue’s time you are trying to estimate.
For LL you are always working with at best, an estimate based on upper bounds and probabilities.
flynnibus
Premium Member
But those variations can be included in the sample. It’s not hard for a system to calculate an operational avg they are sustaining and use that for estimates.
A running avg for the last 20mins is an easy answer to your variation concern. The ride throughout doesn’t have to stay people accurate over time (unlike the people in queue problem).
Another problem that doesn’t require precision to be used for estimates. You can track an operational avg over multiple samples… the bigger the sample the more accurate. But counting vehicles is kinda the wrong way to do this anyway… count body throughput.
Here’s a fun (
) story I’ve never shared on here. I worked at Everest quite a bit ago, but for multiple years. We had counters at the exit (they were over head as you walked into see your on-ride photos) to measure our OHRC. Whenever we ever had hours we could tell we weren’t going to hit our OHRC*, the managers and coordinators (or they would delegate this to “tasking” CMs) would walk through the exit, through the gift shop, through the gate by single rider, back to the unload platform and make the circle again multiple times.Don’t know if it’s a continued practice or if other attractions have ways of faking their numbers, but that definitely was a regular occurrence while I was there.
*This only occurred when we had a steady line. They weren’t pushing us to do this when we had a walk-on wait, in which case we were not expected to hit our OHRC regardless.
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
It was brutal today….not sure an extra degree or two would matter?
They must be at Olde Town?
Mem11
Active Member
Yep, once you hit the mid 90's with relative humidity above 50%, you're getting in the danger zone...
Nubs70
Well-Known Member
My daily work is in the region with no numbers
Thats pretty much our weather last July 105 heat index daily.
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Nubs70
Well-Known Member
Which is not 105 air temp.
MaximumEd
Well-Known Member
Same. I live in the Deep South and work outdoors, so WDW in the summer doesn’t really bother me, especially when you’re bouncing in and out of air conditioned queues and indoor rides and shows. Doesn’t mean I love it, but you can be acclimated to it.
nestface84
Member
Maybe we need maverick if we’re going to be in the danger zone
lentesta
Premium Member
IIRC UOR's got this or is installing it. And good point about accumulating errors. I think they reset counts hourly, but I could be wrong.
lentesta
Premium Member
Remember that temperatures are measured in the shade.
The cumulative effects of direct sunlight, clothing, radiating heat from asphalt/concrete/buildings/etc., aren't factored into that.
I think we've measured the ground in Adventureland at near 130F. That's enough to cook steak.
lentesta
Premium Member
Just throwing this out there before heading out for Memorial Day:
EPCOT was an 8. DHS was a 5. AK was a 6, and those are all in line with past observations.
I'm going to count some MK queues this week to see what's going on.
The Magic Kingdom's crowd level of 2 for yesterday (May 26, the Saturday of Memorial Day Weekend) is the lowest crowd level we've observed for that park since we started keeping records in 2010.
EPCOT was an 8. DHS was a 5. AK was a 6, and those are all in line with past observations.
I'm going to count some MK queues this week to see what's going on.
The surface temp is no joke. Before we lock our car at the parking lot , we use towels to cover our leather seats , leather steering wheel etc. Interior temps inside car can cook bacon and eggs right on the leather seat. 3 days in June one year I had a complete reroof. For 3 days 5 roofers looking like ninjas worked 8-4 only taking a 30 min break to sit in their work van to have lunch. I advised these hard workers in Spanish if they needed to use my bathroom just let me know . They never did , their work van never left my driveway during those 3 days. The temps each day was 98,95,96. Up on the roof was surely triple digits. They did a great job. Who knows , maybe my landscaping got fertilized during that time.
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How much is variable pricing affecting attendance? Are people avoiding the more expensive days? Does the variable pricing help even out the crowds, or do cheaper days tend to be busier than expensive days (depending on time of year…I’d imagine July 4, Christmas/New Year’s weeks will always be busy for the most part).
I’m sure this has already been brought up, but I'm just now hoping in this conversation.
nestface84
Member
If the parks a little quieter so I can do more in the day I’m ok with that
Mem11
Active Member
Absolutely, Central Florida can be brutal in the summer, the average daily high in July is 92. Gonna be a lot of unpleasant days every year.
No matter the time of year our strategy has always been rope drop, out before noon, back to the resort, nap or pool and then back to the parks sometime between 4 and 5.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
We were in 3…Epcot was the worst…but not really that awful
And Tony's Town Square eliminated the free cinnamon roll appetizer when they opened back up for breakfast