Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[nestface84]

Fyi - With the heat index, was 105 for a week in July when we were there last year. Were you ?

Wow. Was it really 105 first week of July last year?

 

[Lilofan]

Wow. Was it really 105 first week of July last year?

Did not say first week

 

[Drdcm]

Lol

Nope. Never. I just have much better sources than you do.

Why are you acting this way? You were hostile toward me
for no reason in another thread. You know the answers to questions being asked, but instead deliberately withhold the information and attempt to make others look stupid.

 

[peter11435]

Why are you acting this way? You were hostile toward me
for no reason in another thread. You know the answers to questions being asked, but instead deliberately withhold the information and attempt to make others look stupid.

I was not hostile towards you in any way

 

[Drdcm]

I was not hostile towards you in any way

Ok. I’m going to believe you on that and assume I misinterpreted your responses to my suggestion.

Still, why aren’t you just being up front with the information? You want us to know we’re wrong but won’t tell us what the correct info is.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

How are u getting this live map of times. Would be nice to have this when I go

The Disneyland mobile app.

 

[lentesta]

Len, are you saying the posted time was 70 min when the actual wait was 13 to 14 minutes?

The posted wait was ~40 for those actuals. But look at the graph and how fast the posteds came down. My guess is those posted 70s were no more than 20 minute actual waits. Physically impossible to be acuurate.

 

[nestface84]

The Disneyland mobile app.

Thanks

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Oh it's not Ocean City or the Holiday inn?

Please I'm having a civil conversation. There is no need for that. It was an honest question and up until that point I appreciated your answer.

Do you know the occupancy rates of the Las Vegas hotels? It would be interesting to check those. Along with Hawaiian resorts. To say that comparing this to the national average is like comparing it to an Ocean City Holiday inn is absolutely a false equivalent.

It’s just a different market with different expectations. But Im not gonna tell you what to think. Draw your own conclusions

 

[Disone]

It’s just a different market with different expectations. But Im not gonna tell you what to think. Draw your own conclusions

Okay

 

[bpiper]

The posted wait was ~40 for those actuals. But look at the graph and how fast the posteds came down. My guess is those posted 70s were no more than 20 minute actual waits. Physically impossible to be acuurate.

Len, for curiosity, do you have data on how accurate wait times were when they were using the flick cards? It would be interesting to compare how much they were off with the flick cards compared to whatever method that Peter says they're using but won't say what it is.

 

[Mem11]

Wow. Was it really 105 first week of July last year?

No, @HauntedPirate is correct. It rarely gets 100+ in Orlando. According to the National Weather Service Orlando has only hit 100 twice in the last 24 years, on 6/19/2015 and 8/12/2023. So no it wasn't 105 the first week of July last year.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Mine is not an opinion. I’m not guessing.

Good to see there are posters here that know the facts.

Forgive me, I forgot what you said.

Why did you say the posted wait times usually inflated?

 

[SamusAranX]

No, @HauntedPirate is correct. It rarely gets 100+ in Orlando. According to the National Weather Service Orlando has only hit 100 twice in the last 24 years, on 6/19/2015 and 8/12/2023. So no it wasn't 105 the first week of July last year.

Yep. Now heat indice, it will “feel like” 100 a lot during the summer, but that’s a different ballgame

 

[Nubs70]

Did not MCO have the most passengers ever on thr 24th?

 

[flynnibus]

That policy prevents guests from exercising their own judgement to decide the best use of their time. It's an incredibly patronizing example of "we know what's best for you so don't ask questions."

I mean… isn’t that the very premise of Genie?

 

[Mem11]

Yep. Now heat indice, it will “feel like” 100 a lot during the summer, but that’s a different ballgame

Absolutely, but that's not unusual given the level of humidity in Central Florida during the Summer months.

 

[JoeCamel]

No, @HauntedPirate is correct. It rarely gets 100+ in Orlando. According to the National Weather Service Orlando has only hit 100 twice in the last 24 years, on 6/19/2015 and 8/12/2023. So no it wasn't 105 the first week of July last year.

So Bob was right and last summer it was hot?

Who would have thought a weatherman would know heat?

 

[flynnibus]

If the times were accurate but not precise, as mentioned prior, their should be an equal amount of measurements that are greater and lower than the actual wait.

It would be rather simple to measure with optical switches at entry and exit of queues.

Entry - exit = # persons

Ride vehicles have a # of seats. Optical/positional switches are already in place. This can derive the # of seats per minute passing by, or seat per minute.

Wait Time = [Entry - Exit]/ Seats per minute.

When a money making entity has a perverse incentive to manipulate data to their financial benefit and a simple transparent solution exists, I will.side.with the consumer every time.

Several problems with your assessment…

1 - the optical counters aren’t at the end of the queue… for many attractions the line extends past this point. Those people can’t be counted in line by a counter they haven’t passed. And anytime you have an extended queue… this point to measure changes…

2 - your model requires the exit and entry to stay in sync to keep an accurate count of people who have entered, but not yet exited. The old simple sonic or IR based turnstiles aren’t really all that accurate… and will diverge over time due to their inaccuracies and the reality they won’t each count the same. The more you put into the equation you amplify the problem. Good enough for their intended monitoring purposes doesn’t mean they are necessarily good enough to track actuals at a point in time.

Greater accuracy usually comes with better sensors that augment the classic IR triggers.

In modern times… optical people detection would be the most effective way to accurately track actual ride counts (can operate independently of the ride system). Tracking people in queue accurately is going to be a very fuzzy problem because a system that works by counting in and out will always be exposed to accumulating errors. There is no easy way in operations to ‘reset’ your count.

 

[Mem11]

So Bob was right and last summer it was hot?

Sure, just like the previous 23 Summers.