Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

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zulemara

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In the Parks
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seabreezept813 said:
I just got off the phone with a member from Disney’s corporate office and all I can say is yikes. Just so out of touch with how people tour, what draws them to the parks, and how to win over guests. Every solution offered was something that would tack on 300-500 on a trip. The person had no idea why Magic Kingdom would be a priority over Epcot with little kids. It was like talking to a robot. Guess it’s good my kids are into Mario and we might start Harry Potter, just at that the time when we could think about buying DVC. Guess we need a new magic spot..so annoying..
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It depends on the department but a lot of Disney customer service is outsourced. That’s why. They are not park people, they are given standardized scripts to walk people through.

It’s like when I call tech support for my internet. I have to open the call with the steps I took and my backeround and tell them to send me to tier 2. Tier 1 wouldn’t know what packet loss is if it hit them over the head.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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bpiper said:
Check who else is flying from Philly. Spirit and Frontier have moved into some of the NE airports going to MCO, causing Southwest to cut their number of flights.
Why anyone would fly those two airlines is beyond me.

Also their planes seat more now. Between cramming in more seats and switching to larger planes, it lessens the number of flight that have to make to move the same number of passengers.
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Ummmm….yeah….I fly out of there all the time.

If I’m going to Florida…frontier, while dad from perfect, gets the job done.

American works most of the time.

Don’t fly spirit.
 
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zulemara

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In the Parks
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Jrb1979 said:
I laugh at how the Mouse treats AP holders. You look at Universal, SeaWorld and most of the regional parks. They go out of their way to please them and give them perks. As much as Disney and Universal's attendance is down, a lot of the regional parks are packed every weekend.
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Sea world: we want u, ur money, and ur friends
Universal: we want you and your money
Disney. We don’t want you. We do want your money, but only if someone else with more money isn’t available to take your spot

I have been posting this since 2021 and all I did was look at all 3 companies and the offerings of their passes. And here we are in 2023 and it’s playing out. Bob Paycheck made the biggest mistake: he stopped hiding it. It’s been an internal mantra for years but he was dumb enough to make it blatantly obvious and now with tourism clearly trending lower, they are paying the price.

I have my weekday pass and I’ll gladly enjoy lower attendance. But I understand I am nothing but a transaction to the company. The days of Disney focusing on their loyal people are long gone and now it’s in the open for everyone to see
 
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Lilofan

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bpiper said:
Check who else is flying from Philly. Spirit and Frontier have moved into some of the NE airports going to MCO, causing Southwest to cut their number of flights.
Why anyone would fly those two airlines is beyond me.

Also their planes seat more now. Between cramming in more seats and switching to larger planes, it lessens the number of flight that have to make to move the same number of passengers.
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Drive 2 hours east to EWR - Newark and United flies like 7-8 non-stop daily flights to MCO from the new billion dollar Terminal A at EWR.
 
GhostHost1000

GhostHost1000

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
We need @Sirwalterraleigh to help us come up with a DEFCON like chart to know how much TWDC management is freaking out. Like, the level of crisis is reflected by certain levers. The discounts to FL residents. Then the resumption of APs. Then the “bonus” days for APs. Then the room discounts. Than the DDP. Then the removal of park reservations. Then the 4-day pass @ $99/day.

What’s the next lever? Free G+ with a package? Free day with a package?
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Vegas Disney Fan

Vegas Disney Fan

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bpiper said:
Check who else is flying from Philly. Spirit and Frontier have moved into some of the NE airports going to MCO, causing Southwest to cut their number of flights.
Why anyone would fly those two airlines is beyond me.
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This happened to our flights also, we used to have 2-3 non stop Southwest flights between Vegas and Orlando every day and now there’s none, the only non stop flights are Frontier and Spirit.

They’re cheap but I don’t dare fly them because they don’t have agreements with the other airlines, if the flight gets cancelled you’re just stuck, there’s no chance of getting on another airline, WDW is too expensive to risk losing a day to save $100 on a plane ticket and save a couple hours of travel time.
 
CampbellzSoup

CampbellzSoup

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I did Monday Epcot Tuesday Hollywood Studios and today Magic Kingdom by far magic kingdom is the worst crowd wise. I’m not benefiting by telling you all it’s crowded but both bypasses were open to let the tremendous amount of people out I just don’t want people to think it’s gonna be a quiet summer if this is the start of it.

Also I just kept accentuating that it was hot because it was so humid today the phone said it felt like 103 and that had to be accurate. Tomorrow looks like rain so maybe cooler
 
Vegas Disney Fan

Vegas Disney Fan

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CampbellzSoup said:
I did Monday Epcot Tuesday Hollywood Studios and today Magic Kingdom by far magic kingdom is the worst crowd wise. I’m not benefiting by telling you all it’s crowded but both bypasses were open to let the tremendous amount of people out I just don’t want people to think it’s gonna be a quiet summer if this is the start of it.

Also I just kept accentuating that it was hot because it was so humid today the phone said it felt like 103 and that had to be accurate. Tomorrow looks like rain so maybe cooler
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I think it's all relative, I remember checking crowd calendars when I first started visiting the Disney parks and planning my trips around the days that showed a 3/10 (touring plans) or ghost town (isitpacked), or whatever metric the specific calendar used to indicate slow days, those days are long gone now. With the exception of hurricane season and a few odd days here and there it's always moderate to heavy crowds now.

It may be "slower" right now but I don't think slow exists anymore.

We are long time APs at DL and I can't remember the last time I'd call it slow, it's been at least a half decade since we've had a day I'd call slow, this year hasn't been as crazy as last year but if someone is expecting slow I think they're doomed to be very disappointed.
 
JoeCamel

JoeCamel

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CampbellzSoup said:
I did Monday Epcot Tuesday Hollywood Studios and today Magic Kingdom by far magic kingdom is the worst crowd wise. I’m not benefiting by telling you all it’s crowded but both bypasses were open to let the tremendous amount of people out I just don’t want people to think it’s gonna be a quiet summer if this is the start of it.

Also I just kept accentuating that it was hot because it was so humid today the phone said it felt like 103 and that had to be accurate. Tomorrow looks like rain so maybe cooler
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I lived 20 years in Florida and thought I knew hot until I went to Costa Rica in November which is dry season there. It was hot!! Like Florida before rainy season kicks off the lack of daily cooling really makes it feel hotter
 

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