Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[Sirwalterraleigh]

clarification: $150 "ride all day" more like wait in line most of the day or pay extra for a 5 minute ride

Or in the case of tron…47 seconds

 

[wannabeBelle]

Got it. I'll check some key rides over the next week.

Thanks Len, it is always appreciated! Marie

 

[monothingie]

I feel like a cast member would let the cat out of the bag if that were to be the case though… even if it was anonymously through a forum just like this.

It's not something that the CM has any direct control of. Basically as the ride becomes more popular, the CM must prioritize the flow of the G+/ILL queue over that of the standby leading to an artificially longer standby wait time. The system itself is designed to manipulate the admission rate for standby in order to maintain the G+/ILL admission rate.

I've seen instances where the standby line was halted even thought the G+/ILL was empty simply because the CM with the counter didn't yet get to the requisite number of G+/ILL admissions.

 

[LSLS]

I feel like a cast member would let the cat out of the bag if that were to be the case though… even if it was anonymously through a forum just like this.

I mean, it could have been already. We have heard a lot of people talk about there being like 50 Genie plus riders let through for every 5 standby (I'm making my numbers up, I don't remember the exacts). This is also not a new phenomenon, it was a big complaint with Fast Pass as well.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's not something that the CM has any direct control of. Basically as the ride becomes more popular, the CM must prioritize the flow of the G+/ILL queue over that of the standby leading to an artificially longer standby wait time. The system itself is designed to manipulate the admission rate for standby in order to maintain the G+/ILL admission rate.

I've seen instances where the standby line was halted even thought the G+/ILL was empty simply because the CM with the counter didn't yet get to the requisite number of G+/ILL admissions.

…that’s how you maintain your rep for “world class entertainment”

 

[LSLS]

I would love to subscribe to the theory that they are running attractions at less than full to sell more G+ but I don't know how they would pull that off. I think it would be noticeable on most rides.

Maybe. We have definitely heard/seen reports of both tracks not being used on rides (or even both rooms for Mansion). But it does feel weird seeing these wait times with other data showing lower attendance. It could be the simplest answer is the wait times are just wildly inaccurate. I know that was definitely the case a few years ago.

 

[Eric Graham]

I fear that is not enough. There must be something we could do or solutionize for them to give them clarity on what we want. Less of the past and more of the future. Remodeling of treehouses and more light speed rides. I think the future is 3d and the goggles but who knows. Just not me tho. Hate Spider-Man ride at US and what EU has to come. I say EW.

Wait, what, thought I read where the new Vision Pro goggles from can cause vomiting motion sickness?

Apple's user guide for the Vision Pro warns of some potentially vomit-inducing side effects for some users susceptible to motion sickness. “Immersive content that has a higher probability of causing certain people to experience motion sickness,” the company's support page for the device states.Feb 15, 2024

 

[Lilofan]

…that’s how you maintain your rep for “world class entertainment”

Disney provides entertainment for a small world , - its a small world afterall...

 

[Drdcm]

It's not something that the CM has any direct control of. Basically as the ride becomes more popular, the CM must prioritize the flow of the G+/ILL queue over that of the standby leading to an artificially longer standby wait time. The system itself is designed to manipulate the admission rate for standby in order to maintain the G+/ILL admission rate.

I've seen instances where the standby line was halted even thought the G+/ILL was empty simply because the CM with the counter didn't yet get to the requisite number of G+/ILL admissions.

Yeah I don’t really know how the actual process for selecting who gets to go works. Your suspicions very well may be the case.

I’m no fan of the current management and trajectory. I just think it is more likely that it can be chalked up to poor planning, shortsightedness, and incompetence rather than deliberate malfeasance or trying to cheat their customers out of money.

As I stated a few posts ago. These companies always plan for the good times, but never think about resiliency or the bad times.

 

[StarshipDisney]

Disney started playing with fire by monetizing everything about the guest experience, and now they're getting burnt.

God I can only hope that is true! After our Dec 2022 trip, my disappointment in Disney is why we don't currently desire to go back there anymore. If we do go back someday, and I am sure we will eventually, we will surely be staying at Universal. Disney will need to change a lot of things to lure us back before we will pay the price to stay there again.

It is also not just about money. It is about the guest experience which took a perfect nosedive after COVID and is yet to recover...and may never will. Hell, I would gladly pay $20K for a week at Disney if I could go back to the Contemporary Resort like things were in 2010 when we had water boats to rent, dining plan with appetizer/entree/dessert, great tours, etc. The guest experience is just crap now and Genie+ is nothing but a every morning, every afternoon, every evening crap shoot. We will pass. Too many other things to see and once Disney fanatics like us will go elsewhere.

 

[TarzanForever]

Many ideas have been thrown around on these forums and so many great ideas have been discussed here. I dont believe it is a question of not having creative thinkers at WDI or a lack of areas for inspiration. I think that the corporate will to implement change is what is missing. Marie

You are on to something. It is not just wanting clarification with the district. There a 2 incredibly large igo's involved. Bob and Ron just do not get along. So, in my opinion nothing is going to be done at WDW until one leaves office due to term limits and the other leaves office due to the need for fresh leadership. Sad, as it is those of us who really love going to WDW that suffer the most.

An economic disaster… which will inevitably happen because these things go in cycles.

When people have to select where their disposable income goes, value becomes more important and the power shifts back to the individual consumer rather than the easily manipulated general public.

This is what I think is the scariest part of the situation. If they burn the hardcore fans, they won’t have an income source when nobody has the extra cash to travel there.

Yes yes yes. Thank you all for seeing the point. We must find a way to push through and it’s tough with the duo there currently. Any and all thoughts welcome. This is just the beginning. But yes i think yall are seeing it now the same way i envisioned.

Wait, what, thought I read where the new Vision Pro goggles from can cause vomiting motion sickness?

Apple's user guide for the Vision Pro warns of some potentially vomit-inducing side effects for some users susceptible to motion sickness. “Immersive content that has a higher probability of causing certain people to experience motion sickness,” the company's support page for the device states.Feb 15, 2024

Not to worry Eric. I doubt it’s Apple related and more like the old fashion 3d glasses. Think spy kids. Not the glasses in the movie that Junie wears but the one the audiences got on the way in. Do not be afraid said Gabriel i bring only good tidings of great JOY and Tianna

 

[monothingie]

Yeah I don’t really know how the actual process for selecting who gets to go works. Your suspicions very well may be the case.

I’m no fan of the current management and trajectory. I just think it is more likely that it can be chalked up to poor planning, shortsightedness, and incompetence rather than deliberate malfeasance or trying to cheat their customers out of money.

As I stated a few posts ago. These companies always plan for the good times, but never think about resiliency or the bad times.

G+/ILL is a massive revenue generator for Disney. There was extensive work and thought put in place for this system and the reservation system. I generally think the CM have some level of discretion in admittance to the merge point where they have control of the process, but they are trained to explicitly prioritize the G+/ILL queue.

 

[Drdcm]

G+/ILL is a massive revenue generator for Disney. There was extensive work and thought put in place for this system and the reservation system. I generally think the CM have some level of discretion in admittance to the merge point where they have control of the process, but they are trained to explicitly prioritize the G+/ILL queue.

Yeah that was my understanding.

I misunderstood what you were saying I think. I thought you were saying that the cast members were instructed to let fewer standby folks in on days where genie+ wasn’t selling out to push people to genie +.

I.e.

Tight pants Josh: “man, today we only sold 10% of our genie plus this morning. Space mountain cast member, at 10am only let in one standby for every 50 genie+ to see if we can bump those sales up to 80%”.

 

[Grimley1968]

G+/ILL is a massive revenue generator for Disney. There was extensive work and thought put in place for this system and the reservation system. I generally think the CM have some level of discretion in admittance to the merge point where they have control of the process, but they are trained to explicitly prioritize the G+/ILL queue.

That makes sense. From the CM's perspective, a guest entering the G+/ILL lines must seem like a paying customer versus those who enter standby lines.

It's like the Modern Family episode where the grandfather character thinks he's paid for the top level of service and amenities for his family's Las Vegas vacation, but he's constantly shown that there's always a higher level he somehow didn't pay for.

As much as I detest the system, I think you're right that there was too much thought and work put into G+/ILL for Disney to even consider scrapping it. The amount of money generated from those may well, for a time, exceed the amount of money they're losing from disgruntled former guests like my family.

 

[monothingie]

That makes sense. From the CM's perspective, a guest entering the G+/ILL lines must seem like a higher paying customer sucker versus those who enter standby lines.

FTFY

 

[Willmark]

…that’s how you maintain your rep for “world class entertainment”

Disney has been coasting on that reputation (and customer service) for decades.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Disney has been coasting on that reputation (and customer service) for decades.

Only 2 or 3

 

[PREMiERdrum]

It's like the Modern Family episode where the grandfather character thinks he's paid for the top level of service and amenities for his family's Las Vegas vacation, but he's constantly shown that there's always a higher level he somehow didn't pay for.

:::standing outside, counting the floors of the building:::

Son of a!

 

[CAV]

Well its a safe assumption if you ask me and honestly if you are running a budget that tight where say an extra 5-600 is a big deal. You may want to reconsider things just my thoughts on the subject

For me, its not the actual dollar but the value. We earn in the top 5% of wages in America. We can easily afford deluxe hotels and genie+. I just don't see the value in them. 20 years ago when I made 10X less money than I make today, I didn't think twice about splurging for deluxe. Today, I pick moderate hotels mostly based on the lowest price.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

For me, its not the actual dollar but the value. We earn in the top 5% of wages in America. We can easily afford deluxe hotels and genie+. I just don't see the value in them. 20 years ago when I made 10X less money than I make today, I didn't think twice about splurging for deluxe. Today, I pick moderate hotels mostly based on the lowest price.

…with that kinda talk…you’re gonna get thrown out of Denver