Jrb1979
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I don't don't think that's right. That's something they need to cut down on. The whole point of DAS is cause they can't wait in line. They shouldn't be allowed to be in 2 lines at the same time.
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Brian
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Just playing devil's advocate here: who's to say your disability doesn't preclude waiting in line for a short time, while being unable to wait in a two hour line?
I'm not as familiar with the public accommodation provisions of the ADA, but I'm fairly certain that such a distinction would be prohibited. When it comes to workplace accommodations, if you sometimes need to sit in a position that typically requires standing, the company can't force you to sit all day, every day. The employee would be given the option to sit when needed as an accommodation. I would imagine the public accommodations component would work very similarly and require the ability to use the accommodation (DAS) or not; Disney can't force a disabled guest to use it or not wait in a traditional stand-by queue.
In reality, the only way to cut down on DAS abuse is to outsource it to a third-party which will collect a doctor's note on Disney's behalf, like Universal now does. Sadly, that makes it inaccessible for some guests, as they do not bring such documentation with them. Only those who carry it with them, or make arrangements in advance, can utilize the system, leaving some guests with disabilities scurrying for their doctor to email them a note, many times to no avail.
Disney chooses to allow a certain degree of DAS abuse as collateral damage for accommodating more guests with legitimate needs who might otherwise not be accommodated if medical documentation were required.
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bmr1591
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It's EPCOT. Spaceship Earth, Journey Into Imagination, Living with the Land, The Seas, Soarin, Gran Fiesta Tour, and pick one more. That's easily doable if you're there when the park opens and be done with them before afternoon. A lot of rides in EPCOT have a 5-10 minute wait in the first place.
Andrew25
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In an ideal world, every park would have a Tapu Tapu like system with enough "non-ride" capacity (like large-capacity indoor theaters) that requires you to "wait" in a virtual queue and then called back to wait the additional 15-20 minutes in a physical queue, not letting you into another ride until you redeem or switch.
Best scenario is that WDW builds enough capacity to spread demand far enough to reduce its impact. While Disneyland has DAS abuse, I don't think it impacts ratios like at WDW? I could be wrong though.
What makes this an issue is that if WDW is quoting a 120 minute wait... what can you possibly do in the interim? Force them to sit by the entrance under the Florida sun until their time is up?
Best scenario is that WDW builds enough capacity to spread demand far enough to reduce its impact. While Disneyland has DAS abuse, I don't think it impacts ratios like at WDW? I could be wrong though.
So the answer to the problem is to skip Disney World and go on a cruise. Way ahead of you.
_caleb
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For me, a cruise is not comparable to a parks vacation.
Wendy Pleakley
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When you combine the guest count at a Disney park and the high number of line skipping passes available, it becomes virtually mandatory and therefore feels like it's just a ticket price increase as opposed to a perk.
Universal tends to be less busy and they appear to have less such passes available. It doesn't appear to be as impactful to those who don't buy them, comparatively.
Jrb1979
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We know capacity isn't changing anytime soon. So what do you do to fix it? Just let it be?
IMO unless they change things they can't do much about Genie+.
I fully blame Disney for this problem. It goes back to FP. They got it in everyone's head that to enjoy WDW you can't wait in line. The funny part is that's how the park were originally built.
Jrb1979
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It's cause Disney guests will stomp their feet and jump and down if they have to wait longer than 20 minutes for a ride.
Laketravis
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In many ways WDW is more of a challenge than a vacation.
Jrb1979
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Unless you love food and meet and greets, a cruise isn't the same. If you're looking for rides you can't get those on a cruise
Vegas Disney Fan
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This is what we used to do, I say “used to” because there aren’t any short lines anymore. Disney solved the problem (for legitimate users) because the people who can’t stand in long lines have no choice but to do things other than rides while waiting.
I’m sure the abusers have no problem waiting in a 45 minute line while waiting for their return time though.
ETA it may seem unfair but even doing that we probably did fewer rides than the average guest, we typically have to go back to the hotel for a few hours every afternoon to rest. Now that there’s no short lines to get in we are lucky if we do 10 rides on an average day, many days we probably do 5-6, even with an AP it’s getting hard to justify the prices when we get so little done.
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Animaniac93-98
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I had a similar experience at EPCOT last year.
Overheard a woman say "they'll give it to for you anything...anything."
Animaniac93-98
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The rides most impacted by Universal Express are low capacity rides like "One Fish, Two Fish..." where 20 Express Pass users showing up at once causes a major backup in the standby line.
Fortunately, there are not many of these.
UNCgolf
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Oh you enjoy pain. Your secret is safe with me.
This is how I feel about people that like cruises.
You'd have to pay me a lot of money to get me to willingly agree to a cruise (except maybe a European river cruise, but that's almost a fundamentally different thing). It's like a worse version of an all-inclusive resort, and those are bad enough.
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baymenxpac
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this is super discouraging to me (you can tell by the fact that it's made me post for the first time in ages).
we just got DAS for our upcoming trip for the first time for my 4-year-old son. he has a diagnosis, and not buying genie+ was never a factor in us saying, "hey, let's give this a shot because it'll help him." so when people abuse it like this, it drives me crazy. our friends (one who has a child on the autism spectrum, the other who has MS) basically insisted that we go through the paces to get it. after seeing my son miss out on his favorite ride last trip because of his difficulties with the queue, i was convinced.
anyone who is going to abuse DAS needs to take a long, hard look in the mirror. i seriously don't know how you reconcile this with yourself, no less the big man upstairs (and i don't mean bob iger)!
I agree. Cruises are far more relaxing.
Hardest working cast work on a cruise. They would run around circles around parks and resorts cast.
_caleb
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But to each their own! For me, a cruise is like if someone asked: "What if we took a typical eat-and-lay-around resort vacation, made the rooms tiny, trapped everyone on-site, removed any traces of real culture, but still kept it exploitative of cheap labor?"
If people are replacing their typical Disney vacations with other things, it seems like it would eventually create some pressure on Disney to make changes. But it really hasn't seemed to yet, and a lot of this talk
Like many of our box office discussions here, I think a lot of people are really hoping for the tipping point on things that will make Disney revert back to whatever worked in the good old days. But I don't think that's going to happen because the world is different now.
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