Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

Andrew25

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Even without the projections, the show’s ideal vantage point is from in front of the castle. It’s how the fireworks at the Magic Kingdom are, and always have been, choreographed.
Bingo. Every single piece of marketing Disney puts out has a family watching the show from in front of the castle. It's what the people want. Nobody wants to see it from Frontierland, even though it's a nice view... but it's not the best.
 

TheMaxRebo

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I do think the projections put more pressure on being closer to the castle so you can see them better, so more focus on being in the hub, vs further down Main St or even in Town Sq

but yeah, no matter what they do the majority of people will want to have a view of the front of the castle in some form
 

JoeCamel

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Stop using the castle as a projection screen and make the show a fireworks show set to music viewable from multiple locations.

Nah. Too easy.

Even without the projections, the show’s ideal vantage point is from in front of the castle. It’s how the fireworks at the Magic Kingdom are, and always have been, choreographed.

Bingo. Every single piece of marketing Disney puts out has a family watching the show from in front of the castle. It's what the people want. Nobody wants to see it from Frontierland, even though it's a nice view... but it's not the best.

I do think the projections put more pressure on being closer to the castle so you can see them better, so more focus on being in the hub, vs further down Main St or even in Town Sq

but yeah, no matter what they do the majority of people will want to have a view of the front of the castle in some form
How would they ever sell dessert parties and preferred viewing locations if you lost the projections and made it not castle centric?
 

UNCgolf

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It has always been castle-centric. It’s not as if those watching them were equally dispersed across the park in the days before projections.

That's not the point, though.

It's a matter of degrees. People were far more willing to watch the fireworks from other areas of the park than they are now -- you really can't watch them from elsewhere now because you're missing a significant part of the show.

Of course Main Street/the hub was always position A, but it wasn't unusual to see hundreds (if not thousands) of people watching the fireworks from elsewhere in the Magic Kingdom.

It doesn't have to be an equal distribution to have a noticeable effect on crowding.

I'm not suggesting they eliminate the projections (and they're not going to regardless). I do think it's pretty clear that the projections took an existing issue (the Main Street/hub crowding) and made it even worse, though. I'm not sure what the solution is other than to run the show more than once a night -- which is absolutely what they should do.
 

LittleBuford

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It's a matter of degrees. People were far more willing to watch the fireworks from other areas of the park than they are now -- you really can't watch them from elsewhere now because you're missing a significant part of the show.
You say this as if we have definitive data for it, but it’s no less an assumption than what I’m saying.
 

UNCgolf

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You say this as if we have definitive data for it, but it’s no less an assumption than what I’m saying.

It's anecdotal, certainly, but I'm speaking from personal experience of seeing people gather in other areas of the park to watch the fireworks. I also remember personally watching them elsewhere because we didn't want to get into the crowd on Main Street -- that's not really an option now, which is the problem I'm pointing out. You either get in that crowd or you don't see the show, which is unfortunate.
 

LittleBuford

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It's anecdotal, certainly, but I'm speaking from personal experience of seeing people gather in other areas of the park to watch the fireworks. I also remember personally watching them elsewhere because we didn't want to get into the crowd on Main Street -- that's not really an option now, which is the problem I'm pointing out. You either get in that crowd or you don't see the show, which is unfortunate.
I’m also speaking from personal experience. In the absence of actual data proving things one way or the other, we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

ETA: I found quite a few old threads here discussing viewing spots:

 
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JD80

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Also the parks are busier than they were 10 years ago. Hard to compare and castle/main street projections just compound the issue.

My hope is that any Beyond Big Thunder area has equally compelling viewing areas.

My day at MK this week had me see people crowded for fireworks in liberty Square and tomorrowland. It was a truly awful experience. MK was once my favorite park but with the crowds it becomes unbearable. I would like to see the park keep reservations and reduce capacity.
 

LittleBuford

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My hope is that any Beyond Big Thunder area has equally compelling viewing areas.
The problem with any of the alternative viewing spots is that they feel like alternatives. It’s cool seeing the fireworks from different perspectives, but they don’t line up as they should except when viewed head-on. It’s a very different matter from Fantasmic or (excepting Harmonius) the Epcot nighttime shows, which have typically been designed to be viewable from a range of angles.
 

Lilofan

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The problem with any of the alternative viewing spots is that they feel like alternatives. It’s cool seeing the fireworks from different perspectives, but they don’t line up as they should except when viewed head-on. It’s a very different matter from Fantasmic or (excepting Harmonius) the Epcot nighttime shows, which have typically been designed to be viewable from a range of angles.
Fireworks head on is the way to go. Something that stands out in my vacations is when many fellow guests were just standing in front of the Great Movie Ride and Hollywood Blvd. We were told that the evening shuttle launch was going to happen at 815pm. We all looked up in the sky , heard a sonic boom and saw the shuttle launch on a clear night. That beat any fireworks show I have ever experienced. It was a time where I wish iPhones were in existence.
 

celluloid

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There doesn’t have to be definitive data when common sense applies

Why do people crowd Main Street…

…this really didn’t difficult

But...but the person agrees to disagree. So, what everyone else noticed must be not factual.

The difference is if you have 2,000 more people wanting main street's sweet spots due to projection facing...its a big difference. It does not take crowds ever being equally dispersed. Projection based shows just increased the demand.
 

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