Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[Fido Chuckwagon]

I'm told Disney fired the group that handled these bookings in 2020 during the pandemic, and never reformed it. So I don't think it's happening now. I could be wrong - if you know of an agency that's doing it, let me know.

Even before that, the group was really tightening the dates and rates that they were giving out.

This was definitely something that went during the pandemic and never came back. Magical Vacations Travel used to be a great travel agency for booking Disney through their “agency exclusive deals” which were exactly what you are describing here. They no longer have those discounts.

 

[Dranth]

After hours/party - if it's a separate ticket event, it's a separate unique visit.

WDW is double selling the parks.

This would be my guess which is fine if it is consistent so numbers across quarters/years have some meaningful relationship.

 

[SteveAZee]

New math?? Marie

Yes, they quietly switched their financial reporting to octal.

 

[CntrlFlPete]

antidotal, but I think it says something. We needed to change our Thanksgiving plans last week. We decided to see what Disney might have open. I was surprised to see a lot open in park including Liberty Tree. We are blocked out from the parks currently, so not something we could do, but I was surprised about how easy it would be to celebrate turkey day there.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

antidotal, but I think it says something. We needed to change our Thanksgiving plans last week. We decided to see what Disney might have open. I was surprised to see a lot open in park including Liberty Tree. We are blocked out from the parks currently, so not something we could do, but I was surprised about how easy it would be to celebrate turkey day there.

Traditionally, the parks later in the day are not really busy on Thanksgiving. Everyone is getting ready for their Thanksgiving Buffett at the hotel.

 

[JD80]

Thanks to you both! I couldn't remember if room nights were counted even if out of the pool or not, obviously they are.

Yeah, I'm fairly sure the hubris inside Burbank during that time meant there was the belief that there were no price ceilings and demand would never wane. Covid is no excuse - They had plenty of time to knock the public's socks off for the 50th and they could not have missed the mark more than they did.

Personally, I think Universal is moving the see-saw closer to even tilt, if not even slightly in their favor, with EU. As long as they don't bungle the launch, of course. Bob and his Blue Ocean beliefs are going to hurt WDW for the next decade.

Are we that far removed from 2020 to say that COVID offer no excuse when thousands of Americans were dying every day?

 

[Jrb1979]

Are we that far removed from 2020 to say that COVID offer no excuse when thousands of Americans were dying every day?

The problem I had with the 50th is more that other parks like Kings Island and Cedar Point did a lot more for their anniversaries than WDW did. The bigger thing for me is how little they celebrated their past.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Are we that far removed from 2020 to say that COVID offer no excuse when thousands of Americans were dying every day?

Covid is no excuse for the poor decisions they made and continue to make imo

 

[co10064]

Are we that far removed from 2020 to say that COVID offer no excuse when thousands of Americans were dying every day?

We are far enough away in that any business or entity that continues to use COVID as an excuse is nothing more than a laughing-stock.

 

[Lilofan]

We are far enough away in that any business or entity that continues to use COVID as an excuse is nothing more than a laughing-stock.

One buffet that served no meat I loved going to and there was one a few miles away from DAK was Sweet Tomatoes . It was a delish. During Covid all locations nationwide closed. Shortly after, the company closed for good and all staff lost their jobs.

 

[JoeCamel]

One buffet that served no meat I loved going to and there was one a few miles away from DAK was Sweet Tomatoes . It was a delish. During Covid all locations nationwide closed. Shortly after, the company closed for good and all staff lost their jobs.

There was meat on the Sweet Tomatos buffet

 

[Lilofan]

There was meat on the Sweet Tomatos buffet

Yes, my bad , the toppings on top of the pizzas but it was a vegetarian lovers dream buffet. RIP Sweet Tomatoes.

 

[Bocabear]

and the chili and the chicken soup.... and some of the salads had meat in them..... but yes they also had salad.....

 

[GhostHost1000]

We are far enough away in that any business or entity that continues to use COVID as an excuse is nothing more than a laughing-stock.

100%

Iger likes to use Covid and Chapek for excuses. Both are ridiculous as he was the puppeteer for Chapek anyways

 

[drizgirl]

A few here and other sites that keep saying everything is fine. According to the 10-k filling Hotel occupancy was at 82%, that's where it normally is.

I thought I saw that Disney has some buildings closed still (within resorts that are open). Does that mean they are not included in the total?

 

[Nevermore525]

I thought I saw that Disney has some buildings closed still (within resorts that are open). Does that mean they are not included in the total?

Any rooms taken out of service are still included in the available room nights. The only thing that changes the available room nights is how many DVC rooms are booked.

 

[wdisney9000]

Are we that far removed from 2020 to say that COVID offer no excuse when thousands of Americans were dying every day?

Are we that far removed from realizing that thousands of Americans died everyday prior to covid? Thousands will die today. Is it an excuse for businesses

 

[JD80]

Are we that far removed from realizing that thousands of Americans died everyday prior to covid? Thousands will die today. Is it an excuse for businesses

lol

 

[Chi84]

Are we that far removed from realizing that thousands of Americans died everyday prior to covid? Thousands will die today. Is it an excuse for businesses

Businesses were involuntarily closed during COVID. And many more hundreds of thousands died as a result of the pandemic than would have happened otherwise. So yes it’s an excuse.

 

[wdisney9000]

Businesses were involuntarily closed during COVID. And many more hundreds of thousands died as a result of the pandemic than would have happened otherwise. So yes it’s an excuse.

It was a valid excuse in 2020 and into 2021. It's not an excuse for 2022 and 2023.