No, no, things will be fine. Didn't you get Bob's memo?
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Is attendance really down at WDW this or…
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
…it didn’t have one of the new cover sheets for the TPS Reports
Well, that's what he gets for having unpaid interns doing those things.
Seriously, things are fine. I heard from one person on a stock site that the parks are mobbed and everything crowded, so things are just fine and everyone who says otherwise is just a Negative Nelly who is hell-bent on lying about things. And if you can't trust a commenter there about the state of the parks, who can you trust?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
…if they said that on a podcast…it’s gospel
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
Did you not get the memo? I’ll be sure you get another copy
Wait. Won’t print. PC Load Letter
Weather_Lady
Well-Known Member
FWIW, touringplans measures crowds by standby wait times. All a high crowd level means is that people waited a long time for certain attractions. It _could_ be because there were more people in the park, or it could be due to attraction downtime, higher than normal usage of Lighting Lanes, reduced staffing, reduced ride capacity, etc.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Disney profits off volume of crowd there to buy things…ride WAIT TIME is not an accurate description of crowd volume…here Endeth the lesson
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You can trust me, I was there end of October and crowds were low. Wait times were high, but mostly due to staffing issues. Did I read that the EPCOT refurb was to be completed by end of December. When we looked down from the monorail as it circled the park at the unfinished parts, it looked like there was still several months worth of work to be done. As for the Moana Water path, nice but for $400mm--well all I can say is someone got taken by a good con man if that walking path really cost that much money.
I've had friends and family members there in the past few months, going back to early August. That all checks out from what they've told me. Not busy but many long wait times due either to reduced capacity (only loading one side for a while, as an example) or downtime elsewhere. And when things were running well, wait times were, at most, half of what was posted.
Weather_Lady
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A good point, but not relevant to the subject matter of my post. Wait time (not ride length, which nobody mentioned) is what touringplans uses to measure predicted and actual crowd levels, and it was the touringplans estimates that the OP and I were both talking about: I was just trying to make sure they knew that when touringplans says "crowd levels," it may not mean what the OP thinks it means.
Thus endeth the reading comprehension assessment.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Ride times are not indicative of aggregate crowds (they since might have been…Bob killed that) nor the financial health of the segment.A good point, but not relevant to the subject matter of my post. Wait time (not ride length, which nobody mentioned) is what touringplans uses to measure predicted and actual crowd levels, and it was the touringplans estimates that the OP and I were both talking about: I was just trying to make sure they knew that when touringplans says "crowd levels," it may not mean what the OP thinks it means.
Thus endeth the reading comprehension assessment.
I’m going off script…There’s no lesson there
RoadiJeff
Well-Known Member
I was there the week of Halloween. Swiss Family Treehouse was a walk-on several times, so crowd levels were fairly low. 
Seriously though, I didn't think things were all that packed that week. Unlike our visit in September, I didn't buy Genie+ or any ILL because I didn't think the standby lines were long enough to need it.
Seriously though, I didn't think things were all that packed that week. Unlike our visit in September, I didn't buy Genie+ or any ILL because I didn't think the standby lines were long enough to need it.
In the recent conference call with Wall Street , he sideswiped domestic resorts and boasted how well DCL and international parks are doing .
FeelsSoGoodToBeBad
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Probably so. There is still availability for Jan 18-25 with the Visa and other "early 2024 booking" discounts coming up.
Unfortunately, not for the Villas or much on Deluxe hotels (especially non-club level). I keep fishing for SSR 1BR and am afraid that ship has sailed.
Willmark
Well-Known Member
Any insights as to how things continue to go? Are the still resisting changing their current pricing model?
As you noted perviously they know what they need to do they simply don’t want to and hold that if they make enough small, incremental changes that they’ll weather the storm?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
…well…it’s a timeshare…so 97% of them are never really “for sale”Probably so. There is still availability for Jan 18-25 with the Visa and other "early 2024 booking" discounts coming up.
Unfortunately, not for the Villas or much on Deluxe hotels (especially non-club level). I keep fishing for SSR 1BR and am afraid that ship has sailed.
eliza61nyc
Well-Known Member
Lol I know I'm an anomaly here because I think low prices and low crowds is a good thing but that's low enough for me to convince the minions to forgo Christmas gifts in lieu of a quick trip
Uhhhm. I never look a gift horse in the mouth. Besides Philly is projected to be snowy this February, sneak out for a few days
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Or be stupid like me and go ON ChristmasLol I know I'm an anomaly here because I think low prices and low crowds is a good thing but that's low enough for me to convince the minions to forgo Christmas gifts in lieu of a quick trip
Uhhhm. I never look a gift horse in the mouth.
rdoncsecz
Well-Known Member
They still made money this past year, so they probably will not rethink any pricing models just yet. But, 2024 could be a different animal if this trend of empty hotel rooms continues. I had a great time in April with very low crowds to what i'm used to experiencing.
I think WDW may have actually been a money loser for FY 2023. They don't break things out to that level of granularity, unfortunately, so we're left to speculate. But the length of time room discounts are currently available plus the farce of "discounted dining" for kids coming means things are not good in the swamps. However, any admission of weakness will be pounced on so they'll never show that card in public.