Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

Lilofan

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I’ve wrapped up a sale while boarding Space Mountain once. I told the client we need to wrap this up quick I’m about to ride Space Mountain. I don’t think the believed me at first, but then they heard that star tunnel music and said “I remember that from when I was I kid!”

Instead of it taking the usual 15 minutes to close the deal I was able to wrap it up in 2.

It was almost like them having that flashback to their childhood made everything go smooth.
Nice! It’s that Disney magic that helped close the sale !
 

TheMaxRebo

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President's Week is also a disaster, NY is out of school that week. Jan-Feb are lunacy now thanks to two race weekends/weeks plus other weeks where schools are out and people flock to the swamp.

and I expect this coming President's week to be just as bad based on the price of flights to Florida from NY that week - we are taking a Royal Caribbean cruise out of Miami and had a real challenge finding flights that weren't crazy $
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
and I expect this coming President's week to be just as bad based on the price of flights to Florida from NY that week - we are taking a Royal Caribbean cruise out of Miami and had a real challenge finding flights that weren't crazy $
…well…cause you fell into the trap.

It’s not appeal…it’s just people flocking to Florida for the last 50 years…
At least until now.
 

Grimley1968

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When our kids' school system first started with fall break the first full week of October, WDW was great for low crowds at that time until the last weekend of it that coincided with Columbus Day. However, as fall break was adopted by a huge number of other school systems and all seemingly in the first 2 weeks of October, that became (for us at least) as crowded as our spring break, which we switched back to a couple of times later in the kids' time in that school system, just to get away from the sense that our entire town moved with us to WDW for a few days.

Now, of course, we can go anytime in the year we like. I just wish WDW had more of an appeal for us these days.
 

Lilofan

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President's Week is also a disaster, NY is out of school that week. Jan-Feb are lunacy now thanks to two race weekends/weeks plus other weeks where schools are out and people flock to the swamp.
When I was in school we didn’t have to report back until Jan 26 so a number of my classmates went someplace warmer than stay or enjoy the frigid Northeast but Orlando did have its chilly mornings. With reduced capacity in a number of attractions it may look like the attractions are busy with long wait times but in reality not all sides of the attractions are fully operating hence the feeling that the park is busy.
 
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HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
…it didn’t have one of the new cover sheets for the TPS Reports
Well, that's what he gets for having unpaid interns doing those things.

Seriously, things are fine. I heard from one person on a stock site that the parks are mobbed and everything crowded, so things are just fine and everyone who says otherwise is just a Negative Nelly who is hell-bent on lying about things. And if you can't trust a commenter there about the state of the parks, who can you trust?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Well, that's what he gets for having unpaid interns doing those things.

Seriously, things are fine. I heard from one person on a stock site that the parks are mobbed and everything crowded, so things are just fine and everyone who says otherwise is just a Negative Nelly who is hell-bent on lying about things. And if you can't trust a commenter there about the state of the parks, who can you trust?
…if they said that on a podcast…it’s gospel 🙏🏻
 

Weather_Lady

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Based on Touringplans data, it looks to me like crowds have recovered this fall compared to previous falls (based on crowd levels). I hate to give credit to anything Iger is saying, but he may be on to something with the weather. Climate change has basically made Florida completely unbearable in the summer (especially between the hours of 10 and 4). I think we will continue to see summer crowds diminish, but other times of the year seem fine.
FWIW, touringplans measures crowds by standby wait times. All a high crowd level means is that people waited a long time for certain attractions. It _could_ be because there were more people in the park, or it could be due to attraction downtime, higher than normal usage of Lighting Lanes, reduced staffing, reduced ride capacity, etc.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
FWIW, touringplans measures crowds by standby wait times. All a high crowd level means is that people waited a long time for certain attractions. It _could_ be because there were more people in the park, or it could be due to attraction downtime, higher than normal usage of Lighting Lanes, reduced staffing, reduced ride capacity, etc.
Disney profits off volume of crowd there to buy things…ride WAIT TIME is not an accurate description of crowd volume…here Endeth the lesson
 
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MR.Dis

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Well, that's what he gets for having unpaid interns doing those things.

Seriously, things are fine. I heard from one person on a stock site that the parks are mobbed and everything crowded, so things are just fine and everyone who says otherwise is just a Negative Nelly who is hell-bent on lying about things. And if you can't trust a commenter there about the state of the parks, who can you trust?
You can trust me, I was there end of October and crowds were low. Wait times were high, but mostly due to staffing issues. Did I read that the EPCOT refurb was to be completed by end of December. When we looked down from the monorail as it circled the park at the unfinished parts, it looked like there was still several months worth of work to be done. As for the Moana Water path, nice but for $400mm--well all I can say is someone got taken by a good con man if that walking path really cost that much money.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
You can trust me, I was there end of October and crowds were low. Wait times were high, but mostly due to staffing issues. Did I read that the EPCOT refurb was to be completed by end of December. When we looked down from the monorail as it circled the park at the unfinished parts, it looked like there was still several months worth of work to be done. As for the Moana Water path, nice but for $400mm--well all I can say is someone got taken by a good con man if that walking path really cost that much money.
I've had friends and family members there in the past few months, going back to early August. That all checks out from what they've told me. Not busy but many long wait times due either to reduced capacity (only loading one side for a while, as an example) or downtime elsewhere. And when things were running well, wait times were, at most, half of what was posted.
 

Weather_Lady

Well-Known Member
Disney profits off volume of crowd there to buy things…ride length is not an accurate description of crowd volume…here Endeth the lesson
A good point, but not relevant to the subject matter of my post. Wait time (not ride length, which nobody mentioned) is what touringplans uses to measure predicted and actual crowd levels, and it was the touringplans estimates that the OP and I were both talking about: I was just trying to make sure they knew that when touringplans says "crowd levels," it may not mean what the OP thinks it means.

Thus endeth the reading comprehension assessment. ;)
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
A good point, but not relevant to the subject matter of my post. Wait time (not ride length, which nobody mentioned) is what touringplans uses to measure predicted and actual crowd levels, and it was the touringplans estimates that the OP and I were both talking about: I was just trying to make sure they knew that when touringplans says "crowd levels," it may not mean what the OP thinks it means.

Thus endeth the reading comprehension assessment. ;)
Ride times are not indicative of aggregate crowds (they since might have been…Bob killed that) nor the financial health of the segment.

I’m going off script…There’s no lesson there 😎
 

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