Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
$34 in 2010
$24 in 2004

So the real question is: is that churn rate too high?

Or is it sustainable?

Just something that comes up. And no…I don’t think it ever was or should be “cheap”
 

Miss Bella

Well-Known Member
Yes, Eliza, that is anecdotal, which is everyone's personal experience. Just like what you talked about. That is yours and their anecdotal experiences.
I know there are a lot of people who are ok with Disney, and that's great.
But there cannot be ignored the amount of people who are not returning to disney.
I think that once the long time disney fanatics (like we used to be:) have decided that the cost does not equate the experience anymore, then there will be a decline in families for generations. Unless.... they change some of their unpopular decisions that are affecting the parks now. When families don't want to go back, then the children/grandchildren of these people probably won't have that same love of disney either, and so it goes through the generations.

As I have stated, in our family that has happened now. In several families that I know that has happened now. Yes, that is anecdotal, but it is happening. I'm glad that you know people who are still going, that's great, but the reality is that a lot of people are not happy and are not going (maybe not as much as before, or maybe not at all). In the end, the loss of these people who have loved disney and have gone religiously will be felt. In our situation, we have grown kids, grands, and great grands who will not be going back at this point. They have found other places that they love, and they have other interests besides Mickey and Minnie.

It all saddens me. We were the people who everyone came to for advice on WDW. We were known as Disney fanatics and we took trips annually or more when we could. We talked about our love disney to everyone and took our kids and grandkids. At least our grown kids and grandkids will have wonderful memories of Disney from those days. They are making more memories at other places now. I would love to return to disney for the nostalgia, but not until things change to back to the way disney was (great customer service, rides that didn't break down at this disgusting rate, the week long disney school for the new CM's, good affordable food, etc, etc), or at least close to the way it was..

I sincerely hope that things change for the better at WDW because it was a big part of our lives for a long time, and we had wonderful memories of those times. Now? We are making memories at Universal and other places. We have found our wonderful National Parks, other states and historic towns (Charleston for one), and other activities. I know disney has never been cheap, but we didn't mind spending the money when we felt the return on investment was fantastic. I also know other places charge a lot more now too, but it matters if our ROI is worth the cost at those places too. Hopefully, one day it will be again For Us.
Some people may not think it's worth it, but I think there are a lot of families that just can't afford it anymore. We're all getting squeezed by inflation. You can't ignore the economic situation in this country and blame it all on Disney.
 

JD80

Well-Known Member
$34 in 2010
$24 in 2004

So the real question is: is that churn rate too high?

Or is it sustainable?

Just something that comes up. And no…I don’t think it ever was or should be “cheap”

Make sure you're looking at breakfast vs. dinner numbers.

What churn rate are you talking about?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Make sure you're looking at breakfast vs. dinner numbers.

What churn rate are you talking about?
That’s dinner

Breakfast hovered between $12-$22 for about 20 years…so that’s an even worse example.

Churn rate is how fast are they increasing the price to the point of killing the market?

Give it a Silly label all you want…but nobody is comfortable paying for a $400 breakfast.

And the restaurants have been more and more empty for awhile now…predates the plague as well
 

Indy_UK

Well-Known Member
I am a massive breakfast person. It’s my favourite meal of the day but I flat out refuse to pay the prices Disney want for breakfast.

Best case is I may buy a kids platter as the potions aren’t too bad.

After our August trip I would also probably not do character meals again. I thought it would be a great way for our son (with autism) to see characters without the lines.

He eats like a sparrow and the buffets aren’t great at best for what they're charging.

I’m the same now with Merch. Except the odd pin, I won’t buy merch now because I know within a few months it will arrive in the outlets for 70% and I’ll just get the personal shopper we use to pick it up for us.

Disney are loosing out more by constant price rises and quality reduction as people are trying to be more froogle
 

Miss Bella

Well-Known Member
I remember back in 2010 the dining plan was really popular and a good value. We bought the deluxe dining plan in 2010. I just looked up the price and it was 71.99 for adults and 20.99 for kids. So around 200 a day for a family of four with more food than you could possibly eat. We ate at a signature restaurant every night on that trip and subsequent trips until our kids aged out of the kids' priced dining plan.

When our kids aged out we went to the Table of Wonderland card which I believe gave us 20% off. Do they even still offer that?

The current dining plan is a joke for what you get. I think dining costs are the biggest deterrent for us taking a trip in the future. I'd rather just go on a cruise and not think about food costs. A trip to Costco these days is stressful enough.
 

Drdcm

Well-Known Member
I am a massive breakfast person. It’s my favourite meal of the day but I flat out refuse to pay the prices Disney want for breakfast.

Best case is I may buy a kids platter as the potions aren’t too bad.

After our August trip I would also probably not do character meals again. I thought it would be a great way for our son (with autism) to see characters without the lines.

He eats like a sparrow and the buffets aren’t great at best for what they're charging.

I’m the same now with Merch. Except the odd pin, I won’t buy merch now because I know within a few months it will arrive in the outlets for 70% and I’ll just get the personal shopper we use to pick it up for us.

Disney are loosing out more by constant price rises and quality reduction as people are trying to be more froogle
The kids platters are great at QS. That’s my wife and my money hack while we visit.
 

Drdcm

Well-Known Member
I remember back in 2010 the dining plan was really popular and a good value. We bought the deluxe dining plan in 2010. I just looked up the price and it was 71.99 for adults and 20.99 for kids. So around 200 a day for a family of four with more food than you could possibly eat. We ate at a signature restaurant every night on that trip and subsequent trips until our kids aged out of the kids' priced dining plan.

When our kids aged out we went to the Table of Wonderland card which I believe gave us 20% off. Do they even still offer that?

The current dining plan is a joke for what you get. I think dining costs are the biggest deterrent for us taking a trip in the future. I'd rather just go on a cruise and not think about food costs. A trip to Costco these days is stressful enough.
I think this is interesting. Not that I disagree with you. The food prices don’t bother us because because it’s comparable to the costs of food where we live - for the most part. Now my parents… they are floored by the cost, but food is really cheap where they live.
 

JD80

Well-Known Member
That’s dinner

Breakfast hovered between $12-$22 for about 20 years…so that’s an even worse example.

Churn rate is how fast are they increasing the price to the point of killing the market?

Give it a Silly label all you want…but nobody is comfortable paying for a $400 breakfast.

And the restaurants have been more and more empty for awhile now…predates the plague as well

None of this is true, even your definition of churn rate. It's all hyperbolic.
 

JD80

Well-Known Member
I am a massive breakfast person. It’s my favourite meal of the day but I flat out refuse to pay the prices Disney want for breakfast.

Best case is I may buy a kids platter as the potions aren’t too bad.

After our August trip I would also probably not do character meals again. I thought it would be a great way for our son (with autism) to see characters without the lines.

He eats like a sparrow and the buffets aren’t great at best for what they're charging.

I’m the same now with Merch. Except the odd pin, I won’t buy merch now because I know within a few months it will arrive in the outlets for 70% and I’ll just get the personal shopper we use to pick it up for us.

Disney are loosing out more by constant price rises and quality reduction as people are trying to be more froogle

I agree.
  1. I hate pre-fix menus that seem to be their latest craze.
    1. The exception is quick service. Pretty decent value and not very expensive. I took a drive up 95 through NY and CT last weekend and I was hit with a $15 price tag on a BK Whopper meal.
  2. Food options are awful when you have kids that just turn 10 and you're on a pre-fix or character dining. They need another tier after Kids until you're 18 as an adult.
  3. I don't buy a lot of merch anymore at WDW. It's mostly Christmas ornaments or keepsakes from the trip.
The recent price increases to food aren't too bad in general mostly inflationary adjustments.
 

eliza61nyc

Well-Known Member
I think this is interesting. Not that I disagree with you. The food prices don’t bother us because because it’s comparable to the costs of food where we live - for the most part. Now my parents… they are floored by the cost, but food is really cheap where they live.
I think that's us also, we have a sugar tax in my city. Soda usually is 3.50-4 bucks so Disney cost while I agree are high aren't shocking.
Cheese steak and fries for lunch is definitely going to be 20.00 -22.00 bucks.
 

CAV

Well-Known Member
I think quick service overall has gotten better not every place, but there are a lot more options and variety of food and some of it is really good. I think much easier to have a good meal with different offerings at Disney than 10 years ago
I guess you don't miss the mushrooms at Pecos Bills's?
 

Indy_UK

Well-Known Member
The biggest problem I have with the food pricing is comparing it to my weekly grocery shopping which I know I shouldn’t do.

For 2 adults and a child I will shop at Aldi here in the UK and will eat as cheaply as possible (mainly to be able to afford to go to Disney in the first place) and probably spend £80 a week ($100)

2 adults and a child eating a single dinner at Chef Mickeys costs probably costs what? $160 before tip ? I just can’t get my head around that.

I’m more than happy to sacrifice home In order to have these trips and eat nice food but it gets to a point where it’s taking the Mickey
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
The biggest problem I have with the food pricing is comparing it to my weekly grocery shopping which I know I shouldn’t do.

For 2 adults and a child I will shop at Aldi here in the UK and will eat as cheaply as possible (mainly to be able to afford to go to Disney in the first place) and probably spend £80 a week ($100)

2 adults and a child eating a single dinner at Chef Mickeys costs probably costs what? $160 before tip ? I just can’t get my head around that.

I’m more than happy to sacrifice home In order to have these trips and eat nice food but it gets to a point where it’s taking the Mickey
On the flip side, my former peers and their extended family took a trip across the pond and enjoyed it. The vacation for a week in the UK was cheaper than a week at WDW.
 

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