Nubs70
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Maybe a better term for perks is inclusions.
Years ago there were more inclusions at lower price that provided us a better value.
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Years ago there were more inclusions at lower price that provided us a better value.
Drdcm
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I would assume that the reason for this is cause and effect. Before you tell me “show me the data”! None of us have access to the data. It seems pretty logical that if you give people a bad experience, they don’t come back and tell others not to go. Maybe crowds will increase in a few months because of the short wait times now.
Ayla
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Our rental car was $500 for 11 days on Maui in January 2022. It pays to plan ahead. People who booked after us were paying 3-4 times what we paid. Still proud of that. lol
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
People book vacations with a 4-12 month lead time, so if the parks were crowded 6-10 months ago, that means they were happy with Disney Parks and Florida (and their own financial situation) 10-22 months ago.
DisneyHead123
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My guess is that there is a “trial run” element to this, where he will maybe put out feelers on a few things (I think a return to something Premier Access style on D+ is not out of the question, but that’s based on nothing but what makes the most sense to me) to see what the reaction is before the August earnings call. Plus the usual soothing worried investors type stuff. Iger has good stage presence and charisma so I think getting him in front of a camera is generally a positive thing for investor confidence.
eliza61nyc
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My apologies . I didn't realize it was "condescending " your post sounded like you were stating that the only reason people would stay on site is the "perks".
My experience has been that the people who stay on-site choose to do so for various reasons, they are smart travelers who weigh all options and know about the offsite alternatives.
Imo (and just my opinion from years of these discussions) folks here tend to portray people who stay on-site and clueless yahoo's that wouldn't possible choose that if they only "knew better"
Happy vacations no matter where you decide
PREMiERdrum
Well-Known Member
Their refusal to adjust in line with the market will make the "break glass" moment much more obvious to the average guest, and possibly troubling to operations.
While they did release discounts that have broader parameters - like resort availability and date ranges - than most for similar historic periods, these were more so aimed at getting people to consider booking a package than actually realizing savings from the promotions.
My wife and I - much to the chagrin of our children - are going for a long weekend the 2nd week of November. We're staying on agency owner points at Riverside, but I've been watching and shopping for an upgraded room opportunity to swap over to. We're planning a Saturday at Food & Wine and would love to be able to walk.
Rack rates for this weekend on Crescent Lake start well over $700 nightly for Yacht / Beach Club and $950+ nightly at Boardwalk, while Sawn/Dolphin/Reserve are around $400. Even with the promotional rates factored in - which our 2 night stay wouldn't qualify for - the actual realized savings would amount to less than $20 nightly.
They're going to end up halving resort capacity - either by temporarily mothballing resorts and transferring guests or by shuttering sections and buildings of certain resorts... at this point it's all but too late to discount their way out of it.
I met with our Disney BDM a few weeks ago, and the figures he shared for 12mo outlook bookings were astounding.
In the meantime, watch for specific listings on Hotwire... there are clues (distance from pin, star rating, amenities, etc) that will absolutely be making some magical rates come true for some people. It's one of the only cards left they have to play.
While they did release discounts that have broader parameters - like resort availability and date ranges - than most for similar historic periods, these were more so aimed at getting people to consider booking a package than actually realizing savings from the promotions.
My wife and I - much to the chagrin of our children - are going for a long weekend the 2nd week of November. We're staying on agency owner points at Riverside, but I've been watching and shopping for an upgraded room opportunity to swap over to. We're planning a Saturday at Food & Wine and would love to be able to walk.
Rack rates for this weekend on Crescent Lake start well over $700 nightly for Yacht / Beach Club and $950+ nightly at Boardwalk, while Sawn/Dolphin/Reserve are around $400. Even with the promotional rates factored in - which our 2 night stay wouldn't qualify for - the actual realized savings would amount to less than $20 nightly.
They're going to end up halving resort capacity - either by temporarily mothballing resorts and transferring guests or by shuttering sections and buildings of certain resorts... at this point it's all but too late to discount their way out of it.
I met with our Disney BDM a few weeks ago, and the figures he shared for 12mo outlook bookings were astounding.
In the meantime, watch for specific listings on Hotwire... there are clues (distance from pin, star rating, amenities, etc) that will absolutely be making some magical rates come true for some people. It's one of the only cards left they have to play.
Smugpugmug
Well-Known Member
They're going May 2024 so if it gets higher from there, then oh man...
They booked some restaurants too and found that some places were almost booked already. Thankfully their Disney ADR training is coming to play outside the bubble lol
Drdcm
Well-Known Member
We’re good. Just a misunderstanding. I could have worded my post better reflect what I would like to see happen. I legitimately miss ME and EMH, they were wonderful.
Ayla
Well-Known Member
I was extremely lucky and got a heads up from a Hawaii FB group that rental car prices were going to explode because so many cars had been shipped off-island during covid. I booked the rental car about a year in advance.
eliza61nyc
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The downside of online, and every time i try to make a joke its horrible so I definitelyknow my answer can go off kilter.It's weird, we never tried ME. The first few years when we went there was only the Mears shuttle so we rented a car and when it premiered we were use to having a car we never went back. My neighbor who goes with her two girls really misses it, lol she misses them handling the luggage
Ayla
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The vast majority of my trips were with my 2 kids and my Mom, sans DH. I LOVED LOVED LOVED ME and the luggage service. No need to deal with luggage, rental car or driving in crazy, unfamiliar traffic. My kids at 8 and 12 could find their way to the ME area at MCO without my help. LOL (They're 22 and 26 now.)
It's weird, we never tried ME. The first few years when we went there was only the Mears shuttle so we rented a car and when it premiered we were use to having a car we never went back. My neighbor who goes with her two girls really misses it, lol she misses them handling the luggage
wannabeBelle
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And we were talking about the WDC being tonedeaf about prices being too high: https://www.wdwmagic.com/dining/wis...ctacular-dessert-parties-at-magic-kingdom.htm
Marie
Marie
$1k?!!?
How long where they there for? What category of car did they rent? Did this include insurance? Which rental car company?
Smugpugmug
Well-Known Member
$99 for strawberries and cheeses. Wonderful.
Checking National Car Rental (Emerald Club pricing) for a week next June in Orlando: The cheapest car is $495 for an economy, including taxes and fees. Emerald Aisle is $530, and a compact SUV is $670. A midsize SUV or minivan will run $770-775 for the week. And this is a year in advance. 
ETA: Oddly, the same prices apply for the middle of October, 2023.
ETA: Oddly, the same prices apply for the middle of October, 2023.
wannabeBelle
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Pretty much what I said. No thanks, I'm good. Marie
Smugpugmug
Well-Known Member
I never understood the dessert parties during the after hours events anyway. I feel like it would really eat up the party time you paid for.
But yeah at that price point it isn't worth it.
Disney Dead Head
Active Member
I think Breck hangs out with Pierre Delecto