Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

eliza61nyc

eliza61nyc

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Drdcm said:
I think they have to bring back the perks. Why go to Disney and pay the exorbitant hotel prices? If I go, I can just stay off site and miss out on what… a half hour standing in line for a popular attraction?

ME, EMH, Free Genie+, maybe throw in 1 ILL a day… entice people to come. I agree, it’s not all about the price anymore.
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Okay I know this is hard for folks to gasp.
1) most people who stay on site don't do it for the perks. They stay on site because *gasp* they want TO BE on site

2) Not everyone view everything through the lense of the almighty dollar. There are actually folks who can afford it AND they feel they are getting what they want
 
JohnD

JohnD

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eliza61nyc said:
2) Not everyone view everything through the lense of the almighty dollar. There are actually folks who can afford it AND they feel they are getting what they want
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You seem to be affirming that Disney no longer wants an average family to come to Disney. Just those who can afford to cough up the money.

I can attest to friends who want to go but are looking at the trip "through the almighty dollar." Shocker, they're actually trying to determine whether they can actually afford to go.

Basically, it's this: 2 day base tickets in mid-December for two adults and 1 child are approximately $956 directly through Disney. Other third party services calculate to more than $1,000. For them, one day Florida Resident tickets for two days is $989 or more. That is just insane. So they're either going to weigh the Florida Resident summer tickets which would cost the three of them about $633 through September 29 or approximately the same cost for just the father and son in December.

If you think the average family isn't factoring in the "almighty dollar" and whether they can afford a trip to Disney, you need to have your head examined.
 
LSLS

LSLS

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eliza61nyc said:
Okay I know this is hard for folks to gasp.
1) most people who stay on site don't do it for the perks. They stay on site because *gasp* they want TO BE on site

2) Not everyone view everything through the lense of the almighty dollar. There are actually folks who can afford it AND they feel they are getting what they want
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Some do. But there are many that don't. I find it interesting that while there are discount on property rooms available, many of the off site places seem to still have their summer pricing going (i.e., $150 at the Wyndam, $225 at the Hyatt, etc.).
 
Drdcm

Drdcm

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eliza61nyc said:
Okay I know this is hard for folks to gasp.
1) most people who stay on site don't do it for the perks. They stay on site because *gasp* they want TO BE on site

2) Not everyone view everything through the lense of the almighty dollar. There are actually folks who can afford it AND they feel they are getting what they want
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Why were you so hostile and condescending? I didn’t attack or disagree with anyone. My post was in good faith and about my personal experience.
 
HauntedPirate

HauntedPirate

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LSLS said:
Well, kind of my point though. People are considering the price and amentities instead of just looking at staying in Disney.
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No, no, that's totally wrong. Didn't you see the post above saying that people don't look at things through the lens of the almighty dollar? :rolleyes: It's hard to see things as they are when your lenses are pixie-dust-colored and screwed into your skull.

The value proposition for on-site vs. off-site has never been tilted so far in favor of off-site hotels as it is right now. It's absolutely amazing to see after visiting since the late 70's and seeing, for decades, the value that was there for on-site stays. But some people's Lord and Savior, Robert Iger, has decreed that you must pay for everything now, and they hold their wallets and credit cards out and say, "Take however much you want, I NEED MY PIXIE DUST FIX!!!!!!!". Completely illogical and totally emotional, which is what Bob has exploited since 2006.
 
LSLS

LSLS

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HauntedPirate said:
No, no, that's totally wrong. Didn't you see the post above saying that people don't look at things through the lens of the almighty dollar? :rolleyes: It's hard to see things as they are when your lenses are pixie-dust-colored and screwed into your skull.

The value proposition for on-site vs. off-site has never been tilted so far in favor of off-site hotels as it is right now. It's absolutely amazing to see after visiting since the late 70's and seeing, for decades, the value that was there for on-site stays. But some people's Lord and Savior, Robert Iger, has decreed that you must pay for everything now, and they hold their wallets and credit cards out and say, "Take however much you want, I NEED MY PIXIE DUST FIX!!!!!!!". Completely illogical and totally emotional, which is what Bob has exploited since 2006.
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I mean, to tell the absolute truth, if all things are equal, I'd pick on site, cause I do like being there. If I see a Disney Springs hotel for around $160, and Port Orleans for $200, I probably pick Port Orleans. BUT, we drive, so the parking fees matter (as do resort fees), and the lack of Magic Express doesn't hit us. And usually the Disney hotels have better pool areas (again, talking those DS hotels at that price point) and less traffic. AND, all that said, up until recently, that hasn't been the pricing difference. It's been around $125 vs. $250. And we will stay off site for the bigger rooms at that price difference. I do find it interesting that people actually don't consider the amentities or what they get at all though. That's almost always the first thing I look at for any vacation (theme parks included).
 
monothingie

monothingie

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eliza61nyc said:
Okay I know this is hard for folks to gasp.
1) most people who stay on site don't do it for the perks. They stay on site because *gasp* they want TO BE on site
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They want to be onsite because of the convenience, which is the major perk. Convenience includes everything from complimentary buses to EMHs. Without those, Disney Hotels are just overpriced outdated hotels with pictures of Mickey. Disney has done their best to make things less convenient for guests while charging more in hopes that the guests will settle for less.
eliza61nyc said:
2) Not everyone view everything through the lense of the almighty dollar. There are actually folks who can afford it AND they feel they are getting what they want
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Which is a great thing for Disney, because if anyone actually knew what they were getting compared to outside the Disney bubble, Disney would be in a heap more trouble than they already are in.

@Sirwalterraleigh what do you think as you bury yourself in $24 Disney Signature Poolside cocktails?
 
HauntedPirate

HauntedPirate

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LSLS said:
I mean, to tell the absolute truth, if all things are equal, I'd pick on site, cause I do like being there. If I see a Disney Springs hotel for around $160, and Port Orleans for $200, I probably pick Port Orleans. BUT, we drive, so the parking fees matter (as do resort fees), and the lack of Magic Express doesn't hit us. And usually the Disney hotels have better pool areas (again, talking those DS hotels at that price point) and less traffic. AND, all that said, up until recently, that hasn't been the pricing difference. It's been around $125 vs. $250. And we will stay off site for the bigger rooms at that price difference. I do find it interesting that people actually don't consider the amentities or what they get at all though. That's almost always the first thing I look at for any vacation (theme parks included).
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All things being equal, I'd rather stay a week at OKW and never set foot inside a park. ;)
 
bcoachable

bcoachable

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
I don’t want to believe there’s shenanigans going on…but there are literally reports of this EVERY DAMN DAY…

And they always have plausible deniability

It’s starting to smell like last weeks tuna
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This was my biggest thought when we made a pilgrimage just after G+ was implemented. I asked about it as we were jumping in the q at soarin- I was told “absolutely not. Disney would never try to manipulate the system to take money from you the guest. Now, here is a paper fast pass to get you and your party on any ride you’d like for the rest of the day IF you won’t speak of this ever again”.
(I kid, I kid)
 
Drdcm

Drdcm

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For me it’s about ease of use and crowds. We have a good income, could stay anywhere. We love staying on site even though it costs more, but there were perks that we felt had value.

ME was nice because I just hopped on and got to the resort. We don’t go to universal because pretty much everything there makes me violently ill.

EMH was nice because you got the lower crowds. Is it worth the extra $1000 dollars to stay in a deluxe resort just to get an EMH, I’d say no, so we don’t do it anymore.

They’ve successfully leveraged us into buying event tickets to get the lower crowds. I don’t want to play that game, so we don’t.

I’ll be the first to admit, I’m bitter. I don’t want to give them my money for less, so I don’t anymore. I chose a new product “off site” and they can entice me to return, or not, I don’t really care. I still have fun when I go, we just do it differently.

And before anyone jumps down my throat, 1) if people are happy with the current situation, good for them, im
happy they’re having a good time 2) I realize disney doesn’t care and that our specific absence is just taken up by someone else. unlike others in this forum, I have the capacity to recognize that the world does not revolve around me and my opinions.
 
TheMaxRebo

TheMaxRebo

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the_rich said:
I have family that just came back. They had an amazing time and they stayed off site. But next time they are staying on site because they spent $1000 on a rental car and they could've stayed on site for less.
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yeah, with rental car prices how they are now, that is a big factor. We definitely stay off site at times but when we do we generally drive down from NY so we have our car and don't have to rent one

If was just my wife and I, I suppose we could just rely on Uber/Lyft vs renting a car, but even that adds up. But with 3 kids, tough for us to not have a car that they all fit and car seats, etc. - makes the Disney transport, even if just the buses, have a lot of value
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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www.foxbusiness.com

Former Disney Imagineer says theme parks now more stressful, less fun for families

Theme parks like Disney World have been popular for decades, but are the high ticket prices, long lines, and stress associated with the modern-day experience worth the hassle anymore?
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He also criticized Disney's decision to get rid of the free fast pass.

"To be charging up to $170 a person to walk through the gate and then $30 a person for a ride," Harmon said. "I mean, that's just highway robbery."
 
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TheIceBaron

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Bob Iger is being interviewed by CNBC tomorrow morning so we should get some insight into their financial situation and forecast as a preview for their earnings call next month.

He will likely be asked about Disney’s less than stellar stock performance over the past year. In these interviews in the past, Iger tended to reveal future plans and adjustments for the company. I think he is going to attempt to calm down the likely restless shareholders.

Hopeful he sees plummeting park attendance as reason to reveal concrete expansions.
 

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