EPCOT Inside Out to Replace Journey into Imagination with Figment?

Kman101

Kman101

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MickeyMouse10 said:
Let me simplify it for you TJ. With my posts, many of which you didn't want to bring up because it went against your point.
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So because you don't like Figment in it's current version, you then project said feelings onto all the guests. I've got some news for you. Figment sells merchandise (the comic books from a few years ago shocked execs at how well it sold). Figment as a character is actually well-liked and this is based off of Disney survey results. THOSE as I'm aware, and If anyone can correct me, please do, are the facts. So please stop talking in facts because you don't know what the average guest wants. You're talking about what *you* want, and there's nothing wrong with that, just be honest about what *you* want and stop painting it as if that's what everyone wants (and a lot of folks could learn to practice this ... maybe myself too at times)

And just so you're also aware, there are likely multiple proposals for a ride revamp that INCLUDE Figment. So, again, stop talking as if you know things. You don't.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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Magicart87 said:
That pitch was likely done during the discussions for a Zootopia sequel. Those themes can be worked to fit. The same way Frozen 2 is pushing Norse mythology. Disney will find a way to make it work. They're masters at shoehorning IP regardless of what we as fans may think.

That said: I don't want Inside Out in Imagination! ;)
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Frozen doesn't belong in Norway. Just because that's where they put it doesn't mean it belongs there. There is nothing in the attraction's story that fits in World Showcase, there was 0 effort made to fit that into Epcot.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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MickeyMouse10 said:
All that matters is that they are Animals and they make Disney money. Dinoland U.S.A and Everest have nothing to do with nature, one is a cheap off the shelf carnival land. While Everest is about a mythical beast who wants to kill people.

Also Beastly Kingdom if it would have been made would have had talking bats, a dragon and dancing animals in the Fantasia boat ride.

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Everest hits these themes, Dinorama doesn't really.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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Kman101 said:
So because you don't like Figment in it's current version, you then project said feelings onto all the guests. I've got some news for you. Figment sells merchandise (the comic books from a few years ago shocked execs at how well it sold). Figment as a character is actually well-liked and this is based off of Disney survey results. THOSE as I'm aware, and If anyone can correct me, please do, are the facts. So please stop talking in facts because you don't know what the average guest wants. You're talking about what *you* want, and there's nothing wrong with that, just be honest about what *you* want and stop painting it as if that's what everyone wants (and a lot of folks could learn to practice this ... maybe myself too at times)

And just so you're also aware, there are likely multiple proposals for a ride revamp that INCLUDE Figment. So, again, stop talking as if you know things. You don't.
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If Figment isn't the lowest ratest attraction on property it's close. I'm sure @lentesta can attest to that with actual data. Figment sells in part because of nostalgia and in part because of the current attraction. Either way, I'd be surprised if the amount of money Figment makes annually in merchandise sales exceeds any 3 hour worldwide window of Avengers Endgame ticket sales this weekend.
 
DreamfinderGuy

DreamfinderGuy

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RSoxNo1 said:
If Figment isn't the lowest ratest attraction on property it's close. I'm sure @lentesta can attest to that with actual data. Figment sells in part because of nostalgia and in part because of the current attraction. Either way, I'd be surprised if the amount of money Figment makes annually in merchandise sales exceeds any 3 hour worldwide window of Avengers Endgame ticket sales this weekend.
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Still the highest selling merch at Epcot, although I wouldn’t doubt that he’s outsold by alcohol now
 
HauntedMansionFLA

HauntedMansionFLA

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RSoxNo1 said:
If Figment isn't the lowest ratest attraction on property it's close. I'm sure @lentesta can attest to that with actual data. Figment sells in part because of nostalgia and in part because of the current attraction. Either way, I'd be surprised if the amount of money Figment makes annually in merchandise sales exceeds any 3 hour worldwide window of Avengers Endgame ticket sales this weekend.
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What IP could occupy the theatre and re-theme the ride attraction? Doctor Strange? Inside Out? Big Hero Eight? Some other dark horse IP that could surprise us?
 
Kman101

Kman101

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RSoxNo1 said:
If Figment isn't the lowest ratest attraction on property it's close. I'm sure @lentesta can attest to that with actual data. Figment sells in part because of nostalgia and in part because of the current attraction. Either way, I'd be surprised if the amount of money Figment makes annually in merchandise sales exceeds any 3 hour worldwide window of Avengers Endgame ticket sales this weekend.
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You have hard sales data for merchandise? And no it wouldn't beat that, LOL, but it's not really a fair comparison. Figment's not a movie. We're talking merchandise sales. He's marketable. And that's important.

People can still like Figment regardless of how awful the attraction is (and they do) ;)

Not sure why folks think Figment isn't still popular. So what if they're marketing nostalgia? It sells.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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Kman101 said:
You have hard sales data for merchandise? And no it wouldn't beat that, LOL, but it's not really a fair comparison. Figment's not a movie. We're talking merchandise sales. He's marketable. And that's important.

People can still like Figment regardless of how awful the attraction is (and they do) ;)

Not sure why folks think Figment isn't still popular. So what if they're marketing nostalgia? It sells.
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The merchandise sales of Figment are relatively insignificant. The approach Disney is taking with the parks is confusing, all of the movie based IP integration is for a year one marketing push, nothing more. They'll happily sell nostalgia in merchandise form, but in a climate where nostalgia and "member berries" are very much a reality Disney is pushing the "newer is always better" approach.

Ultimately if they build mediocre attractions it doesn't matter if the attraction is tied to a movie, a nostalgic character or something new. I'd be on board with a Figment/Dreamfinder redux, but I'd also be on board with a truly different EPCOT that still aspires to be great and inspirational. They haven't attempted anything remotely close to that in 20+ years.
 
lentesta

lentesta

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RSoxNo1 said:
If Figment isn't the lowest ratest attraction on property it's close. I'm sure @lentesta can attest to that with actual data. Figment sells in part because of nostalgia and in part because of the current attraction. Either way, I'd be surprised if the amount of money Figment makes annually in merchandise sales exceeds any 3 hour worldwide window of Avengers Endgame ticket sales this weekend.
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It is indeed the lowest-rated attraction in Epcot over the past year. Here are the survey results by age group, ratings from 1 star (very bad) to 5 starts (excellent), surveys over the past 12 months, minimum of 400 surveys per age group:

Pre-schoolers: 3.97, which is average. PS'ers rate the average Epcot attraction as 4.0 stars.
Grade-school: 3.8, below average (4.1)
Teens: 3.1, much below average (3.9)
Young adults: 3.0, much below average (4.0)
Over 30: 3.1, much below average (4.0)
Seniors: 3.3,much below average (4.0)

The usual disclaimers apply: the survey only reflects the views of people who take surveys and who use our site/books.

Other attractions that don't do well overall: the Imagination pavilion, Reflections of China, O! Canada, the U.S. pavilion, Agent P's World Showcase Adventure.

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lentesta

lentesta

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lentesta said:
It is indeed the lowest-rated attraction in Epcot over the past year. Here are the survey results by age group, ratings from 1 star (very bad) to 5 starts (excellent), surveys over the past 12 months, minimum of 400 surveys per age group:

Pre-schoolers: 3.97, which is average. PS'ers rate the average Epcot attraction as 4.0 stars.
Grade-school: 3.8, below average (4.1)
Teens: 3.1, much below average (3.9)
Young adults: 3.0, much below average (4.0)
Over 30: 3.1, much below average (4.0)
Seniors: 3.3,much below average (4.0)

The usual disclaimers apply: the survey only reflects the views of people who take surveys and who use our site/books.

Other attractions that don't do well overall: the Imagination pavilion, Reflections of China, O! Canada, the U.S. pavilion, Agent P's World Showcase Adventure.

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Also, I'm adding these "Above average/below average" labels to the next edition of the book. They're supposed to help provide context around the rating, so you don't have to wonder whether 3.5 stars is good, bad, or something else. Let me know what y'all think of them.
 
eliza61nyc

eliza61nyc

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lentesta said:
Also, I'm adding these "Above average/below average" labels to the next edition of the book. They're supposed to help provide context around the rating, so you don't have to wonder whether 3.5 stars is good, bad, or something else. Let me know what y'all think of them.
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great idea. I've always wondered if 3 stars was average, poor or what. definitely helps
 

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