EPCOT Inside Out to Replace Journey into Imagination with Figment?

[Mac Tonight]

Also, let’s not forget that there was clearly an effort to put more development into the characters with the recent Marvel Disney Kingdoms Figment origin story comic (which were *extremely* successful by the way). So to say that Inside Out has more development than Figment is a bit of a lie. The original had plenty of development for the characters aswell. They didn’t need that much development to understand to begin with, as the entire theme was creativity and imagination. A theme and concept we *all* can easily understand.

You'd be surprised

 

[DanielBB8]

Also, let’s not forget that there was clearly an effort to put more development into the characters with the recent Marvel Disney Kingdoms Figment origin story comic (which were *extremely* successful by the way). So to say that Inside Out has more development than Figment is a bit of a lie. The original had plenty of development for the characters aswell. They didn’t need that much development to understand to begin with, as the entire theme was creativity and imagination. A theme and concept we *all* can easily understand.

MacTonight said I don't understand it. So I insist your argument is not borne out by its defenders, ironically.

 

[FigmentsBrightIdeas]

PS: It doesn’t *exactly* have to be “going back” either. It can be a *new* Journey Into Imagination ride, with elements from the original and the recent comic series put in. Heck, if you wanted to. Since Figment *has* met and interacted with film IP characters before in the Language Arts Through Imagination short films (like Alice & Peter Pan for instance). (Not to mention Dr. Channing from Honey, I Shrunk the Audience and some of other film characters featured in the Institute) It *could* technically be utilized properly without it being intrusive.
Think Disneyland’s treatment of It’s a Small World. You can see various small cameos in the form of items or small appearances. And it still works, as it’s based on the theme of abstract thoughts and all the creative mediums.
*Infact*, you can actually find concept art of the original Literature scene that utilizes the Cheshire Cat for the ‘Cat/Bat’ shadow illusion gag. And a section with an open comic featuring Spider Man. (i’m not even kidding, I’ll try to find the artwork and post it here later). But it can easily work.

And you know how at the end, after exploring each creative realm, Figment ultimately decides to take all he learned and apply that to becoming a “film” star (*cough cough* Kodak film. Lol) and we get to see him imagine himself in different roles? As a cowboy, a super hero, an ice climber, a scientist, a pirate, etc.)
Now who’s to say you couldn’t change that slightly to have Figment imagine himself as different Disney film character roles. Say instead of a pirate, you could have Figment dressed in the role of Jack Sparrow fighting Davey Jones, or Figment imagining himself as Woody riding on Bullseye alongside Jessie. Why not Figment climbing the ice tower/castle with Olaf or Elsa? Why not Figment imagine himself as Rocket with the Guardians of the Galaxy (synergy. LOL).

It works.. it can be reimagined and not completely destroy the spirit or theme of the original ride. It can still be done in a cohesive and non-intrusive,respectful way

 

[Mac Tonight]

PS: It doesn’t *exactly* have to be “going back” either. It can be a *new* Journey Into Imagination ride, with elements from the original and the recent comic series put in. Heck, if you wanted to. Since Figment *has* met and interacted with film IP characters before in the Language Arts Through Imagination short films (like Alice & Peter Pan for instance). (Not to mention Dr. Channing from Honey, I Shrunk the Audience and some of other film characters featured in the Institute) It *could* technically be utilized properly without it being intrusive.
Think Disneyland’s treatment of It’s a Small World. You can see various small cameos in the form of items or small appearances. And it still works, as it’s based on the theme of abstract thoughts and all the creative realms.
*Infact*, you can actually find concept art of the original Literature scene that utilizes the Cheshire Cat for the ‘Cat/Bat’ shadow illusion gag. And a section with an open comic featuring Spider Man. (i’m Not even kidding. I’ll try to find this artwork and post it here later). But it can easily work.

And you know how at the end, after exploring each creative realm, Figment ultimately decides to take all he learned and apply that to becoming a “film” star (*cough cough* Kodak film. Lol) and we get to see him imagine himself in different roles? As a cowboy, a super hero, an ice climber, a scientist, a pirate, etc.)
Now who’s to say you couldn’t change that slightly to have Figment imagine himself as different Disney film character roles. Say instead of a pirate, you could have Figment dressed in the role of Jack Sparrow fighting Davey Jones, or Figment imagining himself as Woody riding on Bullseye alongside Jessie. Why not Figment climbing the ice tower/castle with Olaf or Elsa? Why not Figment imagine himself as Rocket with the Guardians of the Galaxy (synergy. LOL).

It works.. it can be reimagined and not completely destroy the spirit or theme of the original ride. It can still be done in a cohesive and non-intrusive,respectful way

This concept is probably too advanced for some, but I love it.

Figment is easily one of Disney's most versatile characters where literally the only limitations around him are the limits of our imagination.

 

[DanielBB8]

While it sounds okay on paper, it doesn't quite seem like an improvement on what the attraction is currently. It's more or less the same existing attraction. Kodak is a blast from the past. Edutainment. Why would you want Figment to play different Disney character when you can have the Disney character? Disney's Imagination instead of Your Imagination. The shifting of word and images without it amount to much substance. It's definitely a throwback to what it was.

I propose "Inside Out" with 'new friends' (in small type and probably includes Figment). You morph between different areas of your brain to investigate your emotions. Face some peril. A creative spark emerges and it's Figment. Figment and Bing Bong save the day. Then exit the attraction into a Figment and Bing Bong candy and plush store.

 

[Mac Tonight]

 

[FigmentsBrightIdeas]

While it sounds okay on paper, it doesn't quite seem like an improvement on what the attraction is currently. It's more or less the same existing attraction. Kodak is a blast from the past. Edutainment. Why would you want Figment to play different Disney character when you can have the Disney character? Disney's Imagination instead of Your Imagination. The shifting of word and images without it amount to much substance. It's definitely a throwback to what it was.

I propose "Inside Out" with 'new friends' (in small type and probably includes Figment). You morph between different areas of your brain to investigate your emotions. Face some peril. A creative spark emerges and it's Figment. Figment and Bing Bong save the day. Then exit the attraction into a Figment and Bing Bong candy and plush store.

I strongly disagree. Infact, what you’re describing seems more similar to the current attraction than anything else. Journey Into Imagination is *supposed* to be a journey through each medium of creativity that inspires you to use your imagination. In the original it was the Dreamport (where all the abstract ideas and thoughts are gathered, stored, and processed), then the realm of Art, then Literature, then Performing Arts/Theatre, then Science, then Film (Image Technology) (What Figment decides is the medium he wants to take part in after learning and exploring each of the creative realms with Dreamfinder. And if you think about it, that medium combines every other creative medium all into one.)

Dreamfinder also explained what the process of imagination was (you gather abstract ideas or things you’re inspired by that you find in the world. Then combine them in new and interesting ways to create new things. That’s where Figment comes into play. He’s a physical embodiment and demonstration of that process, along with his dreamcatching machine. Not to mention Figment’s wideeyed childlike curiosity that sometimes gets him into playful mischief (but not destructive or intrusive)

I say it’s better to keep that basic concept in mind, but to upgrade it. Disney character cameos that fit within each medium can be placed here and there. But not in a way that detracts or intrudes on the story or concept.

It’s a Journey into Imagination. Not a Journey into your senses or emotions with Figment coming in to prove you wrong before finally “getting it right” in the end. That’s repeating the same problem the other redos had. It’s just supposed to be a Journey into Imagination. Not conflicting mind ideologies clashing before ultimately settling on one by the end.

 

[DanielBB8]

My concept is different because it’s not education dressed up as entertainment. It’s pure entertainment. Each emotion is explored creatively with amazing colors that can interact with the vehicle. It’s not about inspiration as that isn’t the goal. It’s to give the audience an amazing time as they identify with the over saturated colors of each emotion and characters as shown in the movie.

It’s funny how you disagree with it so strongly when you think it closely resembles the current attraction. That it resembles Imagination should be less of an objection especially when it goes into a different direction creatively. Making Figment the sole focus on the Imagination attraction is it’s failure. It also focuses too much on abstract ideas and objects. No one care about such abstraction.

Inside Out has the girl (Riley) who has this overwhelming need. People identify with her and Joy. Imagination just has Figment and Dr. Nigel Channing.

 

[Mac Tonight]

 

[DanielBB8]

I strongly disagree. Infact, what you’re describing seems more similar to the current attraction than anything else. Journey Into Imagination is *supposed* to be a journey through each creative realm that inspires you to use your imagination. In the original it was the Dreamport (where all the abstract ideas and thoughts are gathered, stored, and processed), then the realm of Art, then Literature, then Performing Arts/Theatre, then Science, then Image Technology (Film) (What Figment decides is the medium he wants to take part in after learning and exploring each of the creative realms with Dreamfinder. And if you think about it, that medium combines every other creative medium all into one.)

Dreamfinder also explained what the process of imagination was (you gather abstract ideas or things you’re inspired by that you find in the world. Then combine them in new and interesting ways to create new things. That’s where Figment comes into play. He’s a physical embodiment and demonstration of that process, along with his dreamcatching machine. Not to mention Figment’s wideeyed childlike curiosity that sometimes gets him into playful mischief (but not destructive or intrusive)

I say it’s better to keep that basic concept in mind, but to upgrade it. Disney character cameos that fit within each medium can be placed here and there. But not in a way that detracts or intrudes on the story or concept.

It’s a Journey into Imagination. Not a Journey into your perception/senses or emotions. With Figment coming in to prove you wrong before finally “getting it right” in the end. That’s repeating the same problem the other redos had. It’s just supposed to be a Journey into Imagination. Not conflicting mind ideologies clashing before ultimately settling on one.

Did you know creative ideas came from the same creative spark? It doesn’t need to split up into different creative realms like art, literature, perfoming arts, science. You can just show the end result and inspire people to build and design it. That’s why Imagination attraction is such a bore.

The older attraction had better visuals. The new ones are all about process.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Did you know creative ideas came from the same creative spark? It doesn’t need to split up into different creative realms like art, literature, perfoming arts, science. You can just show the end result and inspire people to build and design it. That’s why Imagination attraction is such a bore.

The older attraction had better visuals. The new ones are all about process.

There will never be as inspiring an experience for Inside Out as the original JII was. The original JII wasn't edutainment. It was hopeful, and inspirational, and gave kids the feeling that they could accomplish anything if they put their minds to it. I was in such awe the first time I rode it at age 15, that I cried.

Riley was an ordinary kid, who went through ordinary life events, and reacted to them selfishly (just like ordinary kids do), but was lucky enough to have a happy ending. The emotion characters were just an easy way to illustrate how emotions can manipulate us and our decision-making. There was nothing really spectacular about Inside Out other than the fact that it gave autistic kids a way to understand emotions.

YOU may be okay with Figment going away, but that's YOUR opinion and you are in the minority. The rest of us want to see Figment's attraction restored to it's original glory.

 

[Castle Cake Apologist]

I said a proper HUGE budget is required and NOT REALISTIC (More money after wasting it twice before). Inside Out IP is not subpar and it's a step up from a non-entity like Dreamfinder and Figment. There's well developed characters in Inside Out.

Sometimes starting over with a new IP might just work instead of trying for the FOURTH THIRD time with Imagination.

Spending $1 Billion on Star Wars seems justified, but not for Dreamfinder and Figment. Yes, educate me on my understanding of Figment. We all need education to put us into our place of why we should care about characters barely featured in Imagination anymore.

Inside Out had the benefit of a 2 hour movie where we know much more about the characters than Dreamfinder and Figment and much bigger audiences than the entire history of the Imagination attraction.

With all due respect (which is basically zero, let's be honest)... you have literally no idea what you're talking about. Figment remains one of the high-grossing characters at WDW and is insanely popular. Why exactly do you think he was hastily added back to the attraction after version 2.0? I know this unwaveringly loyal corporate employee thing you've got going on is kinda your shtick, but it's obviously not playing well here.

While it sounds okay on paper, it doesn't quite seem like an improvement on what the attraction is currently. It's more or less the same existing attraction. Kodak is a blast from the past. Edutainment. Why would you want Figment to play different Disney character when you can have the Disney character? Disney's Imagination instead of Your Imagination. The shifting of word and images without it amount to much substance. It's definitely a throwback to what it was.

I propose "Inside Out" with 'new friends' (in small type and probably includes Figment). You morph between different areas of your brain to investigate your emotions. Face some peril. A creative spark emerges and it's Figment. Figment and Bing Bong save the day. Then exit the attraction into a Figment and Bing Bong candy and plush store.

Not understanding what "morphing between different areas of your brain to investigate your emotions" has to do with imagination. Which is why Inside Out doesn't make sense in the Imagination pavilion.

 

[DanielBB8]

With all due respect (which is basically zero, let's be honest)... you have literally no idea what you're talking about. Figment remains one of the high-grossing characters at WDW and is insanely popular. I know this corporate employee thing you've got going on is kinda your shtick, but it's obviously not playing well here.

You don't deserve my respect either. They can keep selling Figment without the attraction. It's not like there's a high demand for that attraction. They can sell all the t-shirts they want, but the Imagination attraction is really not good and it hasn't been good for almost 2 decades. It's funny how you call me a corporate employee since I would benefit from such sales if I cared. Maybe you know something. That character can sell with an obviously bad attraction attached to it.

Not understanding what emotions have to do with imagination. Which is why Inside Out doesn't make sense in the Imagination pavilion.

Maybe you don't understand. Inside Out won't be in Imagination Pavilion.

Maybe you're like the other person that insists Inside Out go into Cranium Command in Wonders of Life Pavilion. (Other than the fact that it isn't there anymore and it will become Play Pavilion, I'm sure it will work.)

 

[FigmentFan82]

You don't deserve my respect either. They can keep selling Figment without the attraction. It's not like there's a high demand for that attraction. They can sell all the t-shirts they want, but the Imagination attraction is really not good and it hasn't been good for almost 2 decades. It's funny how you call me a corporate employee since I would benefit from such sales if I cared. Maybe you know something. That character can sell with an obviously bad attraction attached to it.

Maybe you don't understand. Inside Out won't be in Imagination Pavilion.

Maybe you're like the other person that insists Inside Out go into Cranium Command in Wonders of Life Pavilion. (Other than the fact that it isn't there anymore and it will become Play Pavilion, I'm sure it will work.)

lol, you're funny kid

 

[DanielBB8]

Really, which part? Curious to know if Test Track is in the World of Motion Pavilion or Mission: Space is in the Horizons Pavilion or Guardians is in the Energy Pavilion. The new Trail Journey of Water is in Communicore West (if you can find it).

 

[FigmentFan82]

Really, which part? Curious to know if Test Track is in the World of Motion Pavilion or Mission: Space is in the Horizons Pavilion or Guardians is in the Energy Pavilion. The new Trail Journey of Water is in Communicore West (if you can find it).

The screws are coming loose

 

[HoldenC]

Figment needs to go the way of the dodo if they’re going to keep this stupid personality he has now. I gag every time I see him trashed all over merchandise for Epcot. I’m sure he was fun in the glory days but now he is just as annoying as the bratty kids running around the park.

 

[gustaftp]

It's not a problem. You can't get over the fact that they can't go back. If they could, they would have brought Horizons back and numerous other attractions. Since Imagineering ruined Imagination, it makes no sense to revive the attraction as it was. They're not going to fund massive amounts of money to bring it back. It makes no financial sense. It's an over 20 year attraction.
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Enchanted Tiki Room

 

[FigmentsBrightIdeas]

And HoldenC’s takeaway is precisely why people want the original spirit and vision for the attraction brought back. Neither general guests nor fans of the original Journey Into Imagination are pleased with the way Figment’s represented currently.
PS: I want you all to think about this. *Why* do you think they decided to make Figment an “annoying, bratty” interference with an “upside down” way of thinking that proves Channing’s “boring, mundane, controlled” way of thinking wrong by the end of the current attraction rather than the original curious, innocent character he was originally that inspired and captivated us all. What I’ve posted previously here should explain precisely why. It’s a sad, sad tale.

 

[WondersOfLife]

Like the park needs more dining.

But Figment waffles would be lit, bro.