Indiana Jones Land?

[Eric M Blake]

anyways with the Indy stuff... don't count on it. short term I agree with others that investment in DHS will be minimal. They 'gave it their all'... and current DHS is what Bob's 'all' looks like. Pretty pathetic really

but even further out, Dial of Destiny is about to be a turd, and because of that I doubt WDC will invest substantially the IP for the foreseeable future. Once again, they "gave it their all".... and it was terrible, as usual

Thanks Kathy!

Frankly I'd be very surprised if James Mangold, the director of LOGAN, could possibly make a bad Indy film. But that's just me.

 

[Phicinfan]

You're REALLY arguing all over the place, man. I don't have the SLIGHTEST idea what you're trying to get at, here.

I mean...by your own argument, Disney's got a BIG motivation to boost its parks right NOW, because of Universal Orlando's incoming Epic Universe.

So what are you arguing they're gonna do?

Here is where the argument falls, Disney may not feel they have to respond to Epic Universe. They didn't respond right away to Potter.

 

[Eric M Blake]

Here is where the argument falls, Disney may not feel they have to respond to Epic Universe. They didn't respond right away to Potter.

I dunno.... I suspect all the talk about future investments in the parks is something of a response.

And as was said elsewhere, the extent of that may depend on how successful Epic Universe turns out to be. So the response may not be "right away," but it's certainly "in mind."

 

[Phicinfan]

I dunno.... I suspect all the talk about future investments in the parks is something of a response.

And as was said elsewhere, the extent of that may depend on how successful Epic Universe turns out to be. So the response may not be "right away," but it's certainly "in mind."

Here again I disagree. I think all the "talk" you are seeing is Iger trying to get past the mistakes and bad tasting decisions his predecessor/replacement Chapek made. Please note they don't HAVE to build, as they can always say FL is locking us down OR Economy has shifted to recession. Its not like this hasn't happened over and over again at WDW.

Disney won't admit it has to react to Uni. They never do. The only focus I can see short term is finish out Epcot and then complete Tiana. Post that I have to agree with @Sirwalterraleigh and wait to see actual Shovels working.

As for Dinoland, you tell me when they fill Stitch in MK and Animation Courtyard at DHS and I will tell you Moana or Zootopia is coming to AK

 

[doctornick]

Frankly I'd be very surprised if James Mangold, the director of LOGAN, could possibly make a bad Indy film. But that's just me.

So, ironically, it is Logan that gives me pause regarding Dial of Destiny. Not that there is anything wrong with Logan as a film (I personally didn't like it, but personal preference and all) but the tone of that film would be completely wrong for Indiana Jones and would really turn off fans if DoD is anything like that. I'm not expecting a problem necessarily and Mangold has done more "fun" works (he directed Kate & Leopold after all) but IJ certainly needs a level of whimsy and wonder to capture the franchise and I hope it does.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Frankly I'd be very surprised if James Mangold, the director of LOGAN, could possibly make a bad Indy film. But that's just me.

Couple of hundred critics disagree

That doesn’t mean the audience won’t like it

But the plot sounds like another Disney misfire with powers they don’t understand…and it looks awful in the promotional material.

 

[Eric M Blake]

Couple of hundred critics disagree

About Logan?

 

[Eric M Blake]

So, ironically, it is Logan that gives me pause regarding Dial of Destiny. Not that there is anything wrong with Logan as a film (I personally didn't like it, but personal preference and all) but the tone of that film would be completely wrong for Indiana Jones and would really turn off fans if DoD is anything like that. I'm not expecting a problem necessarily and Mangold has done more "fun" works (he directed Kate & Leopold after all) but IJ certainly needs a level of whimsy and wonder to capture the franchise and I hope it does.

That's fair, but still.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

About Logan?

No…about Indy: the search for more money

I’m a big fan of mangold. I think 3:10 to Yuma was a fantastic modern western…

But you cannot trust dwarf plaza in burbank or 1 yoda tower in the presidio to make a good movie.

They simply refuse to do what’s necessary.

So that’s the real problem.

 

[Eric M Blake]

Here again I disagree. I think all the "talk" you are seeing is Iger trying to get past the mistakes and bad tasting decisions his predecessor/replacement Chapek made. Please note they don't HAVE to build, as they can always say FL is locking us down OR Economy has shifted to recession. Its not like this hasn't happened over and over again at WDW.

Disney won't admit it has to react to Uni. They never do. The only focus I can see short term is finish out Epcot and then complete Tiana. Post that I have to agree with @Sirwalterraleigh and wait to see actual Shovels working.

As for Dinoland, you tell me when they fill Stitch in MK and Animation Courtyard at DHS and I will tell you Moana or Zootopia is coming to AK

Not admit, certainly. But certainly he's got pressure to deliver, especially with the stock struggling like it is.

But yeah...let's see when they start breaking ground.

 

[Skibum1970]

No…about Indy: the search for more money

I’m a big fan of mangold. I think 3:10 to Yuma was a fantastic modern western…

But you cannot trust dwarf plaza in burbank or 1 yoda tower in the presidio to make a good movie.

They simply refuse to do what’s necessary.

So that’s the real problem.

That was what I was just preparing to post. The requirements coming from "on high" could have a very detrimental impact on the finished product. I still wonder how much the Star Wars sequel trilogies were impacted by that as opposed to the director decisions.

 

[Eric M Blake]

That was what I was just preparing to post. The requirements coming from "on high" could have a very detrimental impact on the finished product. I still wonder how much Star Wars sequel trilogies were impacted in by that as opposed to the directors.

That's fair, but it's not like Mangold hasn't had to deal with studio demands before.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That was what I was just preparing to post. The requirements coming from "on high" could have a very detrimental impact on the finished product. I still wonder how much the Star Wars sequel trilogies were impacted by that as opposed to the director decisions.

Based on what has slowly leaked out after?

Give or take 95%

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That's fair, but it's not like Mangold hasn't had to deal with studio demands before.

Few studios are so adamant about telling fans “you’re wrong” as LFL has been.

My opinion…but I’ll be up on the ramparts under the red glare if you need me to defend it

 

[HauntedPirate]

I dunno.... I suspect all the talk about future investments in the parks is something of a response.

And as was said elsewhere, the extent of that may depend on how successful Epic Universe turns out to be. So the response may not be "right away," but it's certainly "in mind."

Bob's a big believer in the Blue Ocean strategy. Nothing he's done, outside of Pandora (which took 6-7 years from announcement to open), has been in response to anything Uni has built. Ever.

There will be no Indy land. I'd wager a large amount of worthless, pyramid-scheme "electronically-mined coins" on it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

…since you brought it up

What is Blue Ocean Strategy | About Blue Ocean Strategy

Blue Ocean Strategy is the simultaneous pursuit of differentiation and low cost to open up a new market space and create new demand. It provides a systematic approach to making the competition irrelevant.

www.blueoceanstrategy.com

…but what the Theorists often leave out is the core belief that your product HAS no competition. It’s fundamental. And leads to mistakes. It’s not that it’s “irrelevant”…it doesn’t exist. Sounds like an IP clown, huh?

This is the foremost expert on it:

 

[Eric M Blake]

…since you brought it up

What is Blue Ocean Strategy | About Blue Ocean Strategy

Blue Ocean Strategy is the simultaneous pursuit of differentiation and low cost to open up a new market space and create new demand. It provides a systematic approach to making the competition irrelevant.

www.blueoceanstrategy.com

…but what the Theorists often leave out is the core belief that your product HAS no competition. It’s fundamental. And leads to mistakes. It’s not that it’s “irrelevant”…it doesn’t exist. Sounds like an IP clown, huh?

This is the foremost expert on it:

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I eagerly say "Fair point"--HOWEVER...my point stands about the contradiction with recent arguments you've made:

No…[Pandora] was cause universal had a major IP coup/addition and Bob was flat footed…and it worked under the circumstances.

Thus, by your own admission: Iger may as a rule reassure himself with the Blue Ocean strategy...but when push comes to shove, by your own admission, he gets especially motivated by competition like the above.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I eagerly say "Fair point"--HOWEVER...my point stands about the contradiction with recent arguments you've made:

Frankly, my dear…I haven’t seen you make a point yet. What you’ve done - I think because it’s incoherent - is take Disney pr statements from last year and some rumors propogated on forums/fan sites and present them
As executed plans.

That’s not a point. It’s an echo. I’m not sure how many different people can tell you gently to dig deeper? The list is getting long. You even have @Phicinfan doing it…and we used to have friendly wagers on how Much coming out of WDI is crap?

Now…5th park. Go!!

Thus, by your own admission: Iger may as a rule reassure himself with the Blue Ocean strategy...but when push comes to shove, by your own admission, he gets especially motivated by competition like the above.

Iger is ego driven and blue ocean feeds right to that. He is opposed to responses because he loses control of the narrative.

Nobody on earth believes Turning dak over to Cameron and Rohde wasn’t a capitulation/response to potter. But he still would not admit it.

Cult of personality.

 

[Eric M Blake]

Bob's a big believer in the Blue Ocean strategy. Nothing he's done, outside of Pandora (which took 6-7 years from announcement to open), has been in response to anything Uni has built. Ever.

There will be no Indy land. I'd wager a large amount of worthless, pyramid-scheme "electronically-mined coins" on it.

The question must be asked, then: Why did this exception even happen? What was it about THESE circumstances that pushed Iger out of his "Blue" comfort zone?

(Incidentally, I actually appreciate that Pandora wasn't rushed. If a delay is necessary for quality, it's by all means acceptable.)

 

[Bocabear]

Could the Dinosaur ride system be moved? Or would it just be like starting from scratch? Could they feasibly build a new building and move the works over to Hollywood Studios? Or would that cost as much as starting from scratch?