Indiana Jones Land?

[marni1971]

Needs to be an insider such as a recently retired Imagineer or park manager. Somebody that is as familiar with the day to day operations and decisions as you are but with an opposing perspective. If they retired there may not be an NDA.

Would you like to moderate then in person?

Or we could just grab that coffee and a chat.

 

[jt04]

Would you like to moderate then in person?

Or we could just grab that coffee and a chat.

I'm not neutral enough to moderate.

 

[marni1971]

I'm not neutral enough to moderate.

It’s okay. Just the coffee then?

 

[rle4lunch]

It’s okay. Just the coffee then?

Joffrey's has a good espresso shot.

 

[Dr.GrantSeeker]

It’s okay. Just the coffee then?

If @jt04 doesn't want to take you up on coffee, I will!

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

It didn't use to take as long.

And was markedly higher quality.

Cheaper, too!

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

Cheaper, too!

I’m fairly certain I read somewhere that During construction of WDW, that WDI had to take over for the general contractors of both the Magic Kingdom and the resorts in order to open on time. Disney’s not in a position to “resume” that level of involvement. The cost and staff are both prohibitive. Furthermore, that amount of in house staff requires a pipeline of new work. Otherwise, there is going to be a lot of hiring and firing. WDI has more or less become a construction manager or owners representative.

The typical 500 room hotel in North America takes 18-24 months for construction. So it’s not a surprise that any of these attractions or projects take the same or considerably longer.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I’m fairly certain I read somewhere that During construction of WDW, that WDI had to take over for the general contractors of both the Magic Kingdom and the resorts in order to open on time. Disney’s not in a position to “resume” that level of involvement. The cost and staff are both prohibitive. Furthermore, that amount of in house staff requires a pipeline of new work. Otherwise, there is going to be a lot of hiring and firing. WDI has more or less become a construction manager or owners representative.

The typical 500 room hotel in North America takes 18-24 months for construction. So it’s not a surprise that any of these attractions or projects take the same or considerably longer.

Walt Disney Imagineering has never been contractors. They fabricate and install their own components but they’ve never been the ones building the facilities. There is a lot of hiring and firing and it’s been that way since the early 80s. Disney was cheaper and faster because there was less overall involvement, not more. There are now layers and layer and layer and layers of stakeholders and decision makers in even the smallest of projects.

 

[marni1971]

I’m fairly certain I read somewhere that During construction of WDW, that WDI had to take over for the general contractors of both the Magic Kingdom and the resorts in order to open on time....

Yes, they did. They wanted it built quicker.

The typical 500 room hotel in North America takes 18-24 months for construction. So it’s not a surprise that any of these attractions or projects take the same or considerably longer.

Splash Mountain - an incredibly detailed and complex project - took 22 months from starting land clearing to opening.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

Walt Disney Imagineering has never been contractors. They fabricate and install their own components but they’ve never been the ones building the facilities. There is a lot of hiring and firing and it’s been that way since the early 80s. Disney was cheaper and faster because there was less overall involvement, not more. There are now layers and layer and layer and layers of stakeholders and decision makers in even the smallest of projects.

Yes, WDI contracted with subcontractors to build certain facilities - infrastructure, grading, etc; however, they were way more involved in the actual process than today. Having daily staff on a project, actually working, will speed anything along. They did way more than just install “components.” I would bet that if you compared “daily attendance reports” from today to past projects, you would have seen both more WDI employees and subcontractor staff.

I agree that the additional layers of stakeholders have something to do with the delays in funding, changes, and schedule, but they are only part of the problem. It’s Disney’s refusal to engage WDI effectively.

 

[Movielover]

Or we could just grab that coffee and a chat.

I'm in! But I warn you it might just devolve to me geeking out about your editing in your vids haha!

 

[WEDway Inc & Company LLC]

In this designers' resume, he mentions some "Maya 3d work for theme park attraction design" for Disney, in addition to some work for Universal's Epic Universe in between 2017-2019.

Thomas DeVoss - Bio, Resume, Work Experience 2023

BIO Since opening DEAP in 2009, Thomas DeVoss AIA LEED has provided architectural design and project management services for a variety of civic, cultural, and residential projects, including an orphanage complex in Haiti, sustainable master plans in Australia, off-grid residences in the mojave d...

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[fradz]

In this designers' resume, he mentions some "Maya 3d work for theme park attraction design" for Disney, in addition to some work for Universal's Epic Universe in between 2017-2019.

Thomas DeVoss - Bio, Resume, Work Experience 2023

BIO Since opening DEAP in 2009, Thomas DeVoss AIA LEED has provided architectural design and project management services for a variety of civic, cultural, and residential projects, including an orphanage complex in Haiti, sustainable master plans in Australia, off-grid residences in the mojave d...

docs.google.com

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Maya is a 3D animation & modeling software

 

[WEDway Inc & Company LLC]

Maya is a 3D animation & modeling software

I stand corrected, thanks for pointing that out lol

 

[Bocabear]

So...any news on the Indiana Jones Land? It would be a fun idea to run with but needs more than one attraction and a stunt show... Needs to be fleshed out more...Is there enough land where the Stunt Show/Backlot Express area currently sits to do something meaningful?

 

[WEDway Inc & Company LLC]

So...any news on the Indiana Jones Land? It would be a fun idea to run with but needs more than one attraction and a stunt show... Needs to be fleshed out more...Is there enough land where the Stunt Show/Backlot Express area currently sits to do something meaningful?

Someone shared that the Indiana Jones Dinoland project was dead. Or, sorry- “infinitely delayed”

 

[Bocabear]

Someone shared that the Indiana Jones Dinoland project was dead. Or, sorry- “infinitely delayed”

Why shoehorn Indy into Animal Kingdom when the beginnings of an Indiana Jones area are already place-set in Hollywood Studios?

 

[cheezbat]

Why shoehorn Indy into Animal Kingdom when the beginnings of an Indiana Jones area are already place-set in Hollywood Studios?

Exactly. Tear out the stunt show, Add a restaurant, build an elaborate boat ride using the Shanghai Pirates tech, and a coaster similar (but not the same) to the ones in Paris and Tokyo.

 

[rle4lunch]

Exactly. Tear out the stunt show, Add a restaurant, build an elaborate boat ride using the Shanghai Pirates tech, and a coaster similar (but not the same) to the ones in Paris and Tokyo.

common sense don't go round these parts.. savvy?

 

[marni1971]

So...any news on the Indiana Jones Land?

Nope. I wouldn’t expect anything regarding this for the forseeable. Even more so now.