Indiana Jones 5 Now Pushed Back to 2021

WorldExplorer

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Lots of ageism in this thread……

Well, I think the main problem of the movie (aside from the horribly unlikeable side character and boring action scenes) was that they decided to try and make an eighty year old the protagonist of an action franchise that's kinda known for crazy stunts. So it's what comes to mind when thinking of the movie not being good.

Nothing against old people, but I'm not going to pretend this movie wasn't a bad idea.
 

GimpYancIent

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I am sure all you fans remember when a young Indiana Jones (played by River Phoenix) got the iconic Fedora passed to him by another adventurous archeologist wearing a leather jacket. Another yet unnamed young actor can bring a fresh character and fresh title yet utilize the adventurous, thrill seeking, archeologist story line. After having the iconic Fedora passed to them at a critical early scene in the production of course. This IP is not going away, it's just a matter of when some non-creative, non-genius suit decides to bring it back in a new form hopefully giving the project to someone that actually is a creative.

Fedora passed on to young Indy by this guy:
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BuddyThomas

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Well, I think the main problem of the movie (aside from the horribly unlikeable side character and boring action scenes) was that they decided to try and make an eighty year old the protagonist of an action franchise that's kinda known for crazy stunts. So it's what comes to mind when thinking of the movie not being good.

Nothing against old people, but I'm not going to pretend this movie wasn't a bad idea.
A lot of people enjoyed it, including me. It is far from the disaster that you and other haters on here (who hate just about everything, by the way) are portraying it to be. And they address his age throughout the movie, in case you didn’t notice.
 

TP2000

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Nothing against old people, but I'm not going to pretend this movie wasn't a bad idea.

Exactly. I think it's about time we expect reality-based age appropriateness in movies.

Back in the 20th century, you had that kind of ridiculous junk all the time in movies; 60 year old pulpy Dean Martin playing the airline pilot who was having an affair with the stunningly gorgeous Jackelyn Bisset as the 23 year old stewardess. 🤣

It was ridiculous, and there's a million examples like that in movies of the past.

An 80 year old Harrison Ford is no longer believable doing wild action stunts, racing a horse through Manhattan, and fighting Nazis. They need a new, younger guy. That doesn't mean Harrison Ford is not a good actor, it just means that he is now 80 years old.
 

BuddyThomas

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Exactly. I think it's about time we expect reality-based age appropriateness in movies.

Back in the 20th century, you had that kind of ridiculous junk all the time in movies; 60 year old pulpy Dean Martin playing the airline pilot who was having an affair with the stunningly gorgeous Jackelyn Bisset as the 23 year old stewardess. 🤣

It was ridiculous, and there's a million examples like that in movies of the past.

An 80 year old Harrison Ford is no longer believable doing wild action stunts, racing a horse through Manhattan, and fighting Nazis. They need a new, younger guy. That doesn't mean Harrison Ford is not a good actor, it just means that he is now 80 years old.
Did you see it?
 

WorldExplorer

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A lot of people enjoyed it, including me. It is far from the disaster that you and other haters on here (who hate just about everything, by the way) are portraying it to be. And they address his age throughout the movie, in case you didn’t notice.

That's great for those people. I did not and I'm not going to stop expressing that simply because other people disagree.

I did notice. It did not make the concept less depressing nor the action scenes more interesting.
 

TP2000

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Did you see it?

Airport? Yes, I have it on Blu-Ray. I watch it about once every two years, always on a cold winter's night to set the tone. I meant no offense to Dean Martin, as I'm generally a big fan of his. But the thought of a 23 year old Jackelyn Bisset sleeping with him on purpose was ridiculous.

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Or Indy 5? Nope. I'm saving my summer movie ticket allowance for Barbie.

Harrison Ford turns 81 this Thursday, by the way. :oops:
 

GimpYancIent

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Exactly. I think it's about time we expect reality-based age appropriateness in movies.

Back in the 20th century, you had that kind of ridiculous junk all the time in movies; 60 year old pulpy Dean Martin playing the airline pilot who was having an affair with the stunningly gorgeous Jackelyn Bisset as the 23 year old stewardess. 🤣

It was ridiculous, and there's a million examples like that in movies of the past.

An 80 year old Harrison Ford is no longer believable doing wild action stunts, racing a horse through Manhattan, and fighting Nazis. They need a new, younger guy. That doesn't mean Harrison Ford is not a good actor, it just means that he is now 80 years old.
Indy said it in the beginning, "Raiders of the Lost Ark" "It's not the age honey, it's the mileage". The Indy character is a high mileage, endurance kind of guy, age is not an issue.
 

BuddyThomas

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Airport? Yes, I have it on Blu-Ray. I watch it about once every two years, always on a cold winter's night to set the tone. I meant no offense to Dean Martin, as I'm generally a big fan of his. But the thought of a 23 year old Jackelyn Bisset sleeping with him on purpose was ridiculous.

Or Indy 5? Nope. I'm saving my summer movie ticket allowance for Barbie.
Okay well I’m no going to attempt to have a reasonable discussion with someone who has not seen the film. That did not work out well for anyone on the Mermaid thread, the Strange World thread, the Lightyear thread or the Elemental thread.
 

Willmark

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Exactly. I think it's about time we expect reality-based age appropriateness in movies.

Back in the 20th century, you had that kind of ridiculous junk all the time in movies; 60 year old pulpy Dean Martin playing the airline pilot who was having an affair with the stunningly gorgeous Jackelyn Bisset as the 23 year old stewardess. 🤣

It was ridiculous, and there's a million examples like that in movies of the past.

An 80 year old Harrison Ford is no longer believable doing wild action stunts, racing a horse through Manhattan, and fighting Nazis. They need a new, younger guy. That doesn't mean Harrison Ford is not a good actor, it just means that he is now 80 years old.
I think the problem (one of many with Indy 5) is that it appears to be suffering from not knowing what it wants to be. That is at least my impression.

Add to this the rumors of the reshoots of the ending etc? I have a feeling that there is likely a lot of smoke and yet some fire.

My guess is they tested with Phoebe Waller in a much more substantial role and it didn’t go over well. YMMV, people will hue and cry “that a negative can’t be proven!” Sure I agree, at the same time common sense tells us this should be a success, yet it’s not. And the ever popular “Covid” or “D+” isn’t the reason why this movie bombed.

I’ll likely see it at some point but not right now.
 

TP2000

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Okay well I’m no going to attempt to have a reasonable discussion with someone who has not seen the film. That did not work out well for anyone on the Mermaid thread, the Strange World thread, the Lightyear thread or the Elemental thread.

I don't need to see a movie to know an 80 year old (81 on Thursday) man is not an action hero.

But it's notable that all four of the movies you just cited lost hundreds of millions of dollars combined for The Walt Disney Company.

Interesting times, indeed. :oops:
 

BuddyThomas

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I don't need to see a movie to know an 80 year old (81 on Thursday) man is not an action hero.

But it's notable that all four of the movies you just cited lost hundreds of millions of dollars combined for The Walt Disney Company.

Interesting times, indeed. :oops:
That’s fine: Have yourself a ball attempting to intelligently discuss films you have not seen. 🙄 I’m out: bye-bye.
 

TP2000

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That’s fine: Have yourself a ball attempting to intelligently discuss films you have not seen. 🙄 I’m out: bye-bye.

I've never discussed the actual film or its artistic merits, because I haven't seen it. But I have seen the box office data on it.

And I know that Harrison Ford turns 81 years old on Thursday, and I know what he looks like at this age. Those are just simple facts, and you don't need to see a movie about an 80 year old man looking for an artifact to discuss those facts.

I'm really looking forward to following this thread here for at least the next 30 days. It will be interesting to see where the box office finally lands after they spent at least $400 Million to produce and market it globally. Yikes. But fascinating to watch play out factually. o_O

 

GimpYancIent

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I don't need to see a movie to know an 80 year old (81 on Thursday) man is not an action hero.

But it's notable that all four of the movies you just cited lost hundreds of millions of dollars combined for The Walt Disney Company.

Interesting times, indeed. :oops:
Let's stop with the age thing. I don't know how knowledgeable you are about athletics but I provide an example of age not mattering, it's about fitness, health, mental health, training and attitude "In 2018 at the age of 85 years and 328 days, Hiromu Inada went to Kailua-Kona in Hawaii and set a new mark for the oldest person to complete the world championship Ironman – a feat beyond most people decades younger than him." I personally am over 70 and run marathons, I cannot do 6-minute miles anymore, that went away some time ago but it's about going the distance, age does not matter. There are an awful lot of 20- and 30-year-olds that are decrepit wrecks.
 

BuddyThomas

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I've never discussed the actual film or its artistic merits, because I haven't seen it. But I have seen the box office data on it.

And I know that Harrison Ford turns 81 years old on Thursday, and I know what he looks like at this age. Those are just simple facts, and you don't need to see a movie about an 80 year old man looking for an artifact to discuss those facts.

I'm really looking forward to following this thread here for at least the next 30 days. It will be interesting to see where the box office finally lands after they spent at least $400 Million to produce and market it globally. Yikes. But fascinating to watch play out factually. o_O
NOT EVERYONE CARES ABOUT THE FREAKING BOX OFFICE. Some of us just care about an enjoyable afternoon in the theatre, which this most definitely IS. PS - there are plenty of older action stars. I was going to post a list for you, but look it up yourself. Just one example - Stallone is starring in the next Expendables movie in a few months.
 

TP2000

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Let's stop with the age thing. I don't know how knowledgeable you are about athletics but I provide an example of age not mattering, it's about fitness, health, mental health, training and attitude "In 2018 at the age of 85 years and 328 days, Hiromu Inada went to Kailua-Kona in Hawaii and set a new mark for the oldest person to complete the world championship Ironman – a feat beyond most people decades younger than him." I personally am over 70 and run marathons, I cannot do 6-minute miles anymore, that went away some time ago but it's about going the distance, age does not matter. There are an awful lot of 20- and 30-year-olds that are decrepit wrecks.

I'm really just looking at his age aesthetically, not what his heart rate is or if he still jogs every morning. He does still have a slim figure, so at least there's that. And after his last plane crash that could have killed innocent people on the ground, his doctor told him he had to stop flying.

But he just looks old to me now. Like an 80 year old man, honestly. And I lived in SoCal and knew plenty of 60+ year old men who did the same Botox and laser resurfacing that Harrison Ford has obviously also done. But he still looks like an old man.

Aesthetically, it's not believable and it's not the "Indy" that I want to remember. :(

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BuddyThomas

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I'm really just looking at his age aesthetically, not what his heart rate is or if he still jogs every morning. He does still have a slim figure, so at least there's that. And after his last plane crash that could have killed innocent people on the ground, his doctor told him he had to stop flying.

But he just looks old to me now. Like an 80 year old man, honestly. And I lived in SoCal and knew plenty of 60+ year old men who did the same Botox and laser resurfacing that Harrison Ford has obviously also done. But he still looks like an old man.

Aesthetically, it's not believable and it's not the "Indy" that I want to remember. :(

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Good lord. His age is a major part of the movie. Sorry that you cannot understand this since you have not seen it. And PS - he is great in it.
 

GimpYancIent

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I'm really just looking at his age aesthetically, not what his heart rate is or if he still jogs every morning. He does still have a slim figure, so at least there's that.

But he just looks old to me now. Like an 80 year old man, honestly. And I lived in SoCal and knew plenty of 60+ year old men who did the same Botox and laser resurfacing that Harrison Ford has obviously also done. But he still looks like an old man.

Aesthetically, it's not believable and it's not the "Indy" that I want to remember. :(

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Got it. Just want to point out that we all get old, we all will look old (whether one wants to or not), but, we do not have to think or behave old. There is not set rule that says that. Harrison Ford and the Indiana Jones character are refusing to act old. I like it.
 

TP2000

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Got it. Just want to point out that we all get old, we all will look old (whether one wants to or not), but, we do not have to think or behave old. There is not set rule that says that. Harrison Ford and the Indiana Jones character are refusing to act old. I like it.

Agreed. While I'm not Mr. Ford's age, I have been collecting Social Security for a few years now. And I get told by winsome young supermarket clerks how young I seem "for my age". I'm loving retirement. I got Botox around my eyes exactly one (1) time about 15 years ago and I looked in the mirror and thought "Oh, stop it. Get over yourself and get old" and had a good laugh at myself over that stunt. 🤣

I also had to laugh out loud at a recent statement Jennifer Anniston made about how insulted she is when people tell her she looks good "for her age". She was seriously insulted by that, and marched out all the latest 'ism' catchphrases about how she should just be told she looks good period, with the fact she's in her mid 50's kept silent.

Like I said to myself in the mirror after my Botox experiment "Get over yourself Jen and get old."

But when it comes to action stars doing wild stunts, I generally like action stars to not be eligible for Social Security. I also put Superheroes in that same category. There's no good reason that in the 2050's we should be subjected to an 80 year old Chris Pratt and Chris Hemsworth pretending to be eternal gods of power. Find someone new for the 2050's, please. Your box office will thank you.
 

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