Imagineers at future MI coaster building.

[Figment632]

That's a pretty subjective statement, and one that belies the fact that both DAK and DHS have been the more recent reciepients of new rides and attractions, as opposed to EP, who is just now getting what, a new CS restaurant?

That is because imo there are no capacity issues besides maybe the WS.

 

[Thrill Seeker]

Futureworld is in a far better state than it was a decade ago. It`s future has not looked better since the early 90's. Over the next 5 years it may even be close to as good as it was in the early 90's.

DHS is in most need of capacity and an overall cohesive theme. DHS suits and TDO know this all too well. The parks total THR is the worst for space/attractions vs capacity. This is known and is planned to be addressed as a matter of some urgency.

Hence the reason why so much of Disney's attention has gone to DHS recently. I'd say the park has gone from a half day park at best to a full day if there are lines for Coaster and Tower. Star Tours 2 will make it even better next year. Hopefully the green light for the M:I Coaster will be awarded soon, perhaps at the next Disney convention?

 

[Thrill Seeker]

This doesn't change the fact that DHS and DAK have a much larger capacity issue to adress.

Also the reason you never see MS, SSE, and UOE with huge waits could be that they have a much larger capacity and load a lot faster. Also TT main issue is that it breaks down all the time.

Exactly. Epcot has almost no capacity issues because most of it's attractions have high capacity and load quickly with the only real exception being Soarin' and even that has a fairly high capacity.

M:S can load 40 people on each side every 5 minutes, which is pretty good.
SSE and Nemo are omnimovers that load constantly. UoE has huge capacity per show and is a great people eater, especially during the summer. TT breaks down a lot, but that's just because it's a very technical ride with an outdoor sequence, causing weather to be a factor. When it's working fine, it loads rather quickly with 8 cars of 6 people being loaded at a time.

Case in point: Epcot doesn't have capacity issues at all. It does need improvements to draw people in though. I still say an Imagination overhaul and a new E-Ticket to replace WoL (Tron?) would be excellent additions and make an already great park even better...

Oh, and did I mention that Epcot is the 6th most visited park in the world? DHS and Animal Kingdom are 7 and 8 respectively...

 

[Figment632]

Exactly. Epcot has almost no capacity issues because most of it's attractions have high capacity and load quickly with the only real exception being Soarin' and even that has a fairly high capacity.

M:S can load 40 people on each side every 5 minutes, which is pretty good.
SSE and Nemo are omnimovers that load constantly. UoE has huge capacity per show and is a great people eater, especially during the summer. TT breaks down a lot, but that's just because it's a very technical ride with an outdoor sequence, causing weather to be a factor. When it's working fine, it loads rather quickly with 8 cars of 6 people being loaded at a time.

Case in point: Epcot doesn't have capacity issues at all. It does need improvements to draw people in though. I still say an Imagination overhaul and a new E-Ticket to replace WoL (Tron?) would be excellent additions and make an already great park even better...

Oh, and did I mention that Epcot is the 6th most visited park in the world? DHS and Animal Kingdom are 7 and 8 respectively...

Agree with everything you said. Epcot's main issues are dated JII, UOE, and the reliability of TT.

With that said it is time for something new in WS.

 

[_Scar]

Exactly. Epcot has almost no capacity issues because most of it's attractions have high capacity and load quickly with the only real exception being Soarin' and even that has a fairly high capacity.

M:S can load 40 people on each side every 5 minutes, which is pretty good.
SSE and Nemo are omnimovers that load constantly. UoE has huge capacity per show and is a great people eater, especially during the summer. TT breaks down a lot, but that's just because it's a very technical ride with an outdoor sequence, causing weather to be a factor. When it's working fine, it loads rather quickly with 8 cars of 6 people being loaded at a time.

Case in point: Epcot doesn't have capacity issues at all. It does need improvements to draw people in though. I still say an Imagination overhaul and a new E-Ticket to replace WoL (Tron?) would be excellent additions and make an already great park even better...

Oh, and did I mention that Epcot is the 6th most visited park in the world? DHS and Animal Kingdom are 7 and 8 respectively...

What's the good in having capacity when it isn't fully utilized?

Epcot needs attractions to balance and maintain capacity properly. In other words, it needs extra capacity!

And the MK is the #1 most visited park. Does that mean it's perfect? Heck no!

 

[Figment632]

What's the good in having capacity when it isn't fully utilized?

Epcot needs attractions to balance and maintain capacity properly. In other words, it needs extra capacity!

And the MK is the #1 most visited park. Does that mean it's perfect? Heck no!

What attraction isn't fully utilized?

 

[wm49rs]

What attraction isn't fully utilized?

That's not what he was saying.....

 

[Studios Fan]

Futureworld is in a far better state than it was a decade ago. It`s future has not looked better since the early 90's. Over the next 5 years it may even be close to as good as it was in the early 90's.

DHS is in most need of capacity and an overall cohesive theme. DHS suits and TDO know this all too well. The parks total THR is the worst for space/attractions vs capacity. This is known and is planned to be addressed as a matter of some urgency.

Certainly good to hear. What does THR mean?

 

[JamboJohn]

I could be wrong, but I think the sorcerer mickey name tags are just old name tags and don't have to do with being a imagineer.

Nope! I am a former Imagineer and I can tell you without a doubt, must be one to have a Sorcerer Mickey name tag!!

 

[DCLcruiser]

EPCOT is great, will always be my favorite, but it needs more.

Mission Space, Test Track (is it becoming Cars themed?), Nemo, Soarin, Spaceship Earth, and... that's about it.

Disney needs either more dark rides or more roller coasters. RRC is my favorite disney ride, but frankly the new Toy Story Mania might be my 2nd favorite.

 

[DCLcruiser]

Nope! I am a former Imagineer and I can tell you without a doubt, must be one to have a Sorcerer Mickey name tag!!

Why would you ever leave.

 

[wm49rs]

Why would you ever leave.

Who said he had a choice?

 

[DCLcruiser]

Who said he had a choice?

touche

 

[HMF]

Futureworld is in a far better state than it was a decade ago. It`s future has not looked better since the early 90's. Over the next 5 years it may even be close to as good as it was in the early 90's.

Yeah' Let us know when that happens. Epcot is in much worse shape than it was a decade ago. It was pretty good a decade ago. So within the next 5 years Spaceship Earth will have an actual finale and a narration that does not make me feel like I am in a kindergarten class and Nemo will be evicted from the Seas?

 

[IlikeDW]

Futureworld is in a far better state than it was a decade ago. It`s future has not looked better since the early 90's. Over the next 5 years it may even be close to as good as it was in the early 90's.

DHS is in most need of capacity and an overall cohesive theme. DHS suits and TDO know this all too well. The parks total THR is the worst for space/attractions vs capacity. This is known and is planned to be addressed as a matter of some urgency.

Thats about as optimistic as we've heard you in a while.

 

[JamboJohn]

Who said he had a choice?

I had a choice, just not a good one. I did the lighting control design for Kidani Village & Bay Lake Tower as well as some work on Toy Story Mania. Imagineering is funny the way they operate now. LOTS of interns and even more outsourcing. Pretty much the only people that are on permanent staff are story writers and some of the creative heads. My contract was up. I was offered a position to work Pooh or some other waste of grey matter job. I have three daughters, not an option, right? So, I said, "No thank you" and left with my lifetime park passes for me and the family.

*side note - just purchased DVC at Bay Lake Tower. gonna be weird going to relax where I had to wear a hard hat before!

 

[pixiedust629]

Now all we need is Drew Carey out and some actual animation done in the studio and we'll actually have something.

Does anybody remember when you were to be able via tour to see animators working on cells in the studio. We seen the Lion King, Pocahontous and Huntchback being worked on a few trips and it was a very cool thing to see. Would love to see this back again.

Wouldn't it be amazing to have SOMETHING there? I can tell you, beyond a doubt, everyone who revisits the attraction now remembers the real magic of what was there before. And misses it, reminisces about it, and wishes it would return. I agree, and almost all my fellow CMs do too.

Imagineering is funny the way they operate now. LOTS of interns and even more outsourcing. Pretty much the only people that are on permanent staff are story writers and some of the creative heads.

This has been so hard to get into my head and heart... I wish it was still the operation of the Imagineers and the Can-Do people, making everything happen the way they did in the good old days. Not anymore... it's a corporation, in every sense of the word. Such a tragedy.

 

[RSoxNo1]

When Maelstrom can have wait times between 40-55 minutes, the park could use more capacity.....

I don't typically go during peak times, but I haven't seen Maelstrom have a wait more than 20 minutes in several years now.

Because of the disparity between the # of guests that attend both parks, Magic Kingdom is in a more dire need for capacity than Epcot. I don't know the numbers for sure, but I would venture a guess that the two probably have very similar capacity thresholds.

Magic Kingdom is addressing part of their capacity issues with the Fantasyland expansion, but it is probably in need of a 1500-1800 guest per hour thrill ride.

DHS and AK have the high capacity thrills, what they need are the smaller attractions/dark rides that add capacity and stretch out the day.

 

[TalkingHead]

I don't typically go during peak times, but I haven't seen Maelstrom have a wait more than 20 minutes in several years now.

Because of the disparity between the # of guests that attend both parks, Magic Kingdom is in a more dire need for capacity than Epcot. I don't know the numbers for sure, but I would venture a guess that the two probably have very similar capacity thresholds.

Magic Kingdom is addressing part of their capacity issues with the Fantasyland expansion, but it is probably in need of a 1500-1800 guest per hour thrill ride.

DHS and AK have the high capacity thrills, what they need are the smaller attractions/dark rides that add capacity and stretch out the day.

Not true. Epcot's capacity is much higher than MK's. Bigger pathways, more open spaces, more restaurants, etc. If you think about it, you never hear of Epcot going to a "Phase #" closing on 4 July or New Years, whereas it's very common with MK.

 

[Figment632]

Yeah' Let us know when that happens. Epcot is in much worse shape than it was a decade ago. It was pretty good a decade ago. So within the next 5 years Spaceship Earth will have an actual finale and a narration that does not make me feel like I am in a kindergarten class and Nemo will be evicted from the Seas?

Really Epcot was in better shape a decade ago so that would be 1999-2000.

TLS: Was a ghost town
WOL: falling apart:
JII: This was when they redid the ride withpout Figment JITYI
MS: wasn't open and Horizons was gone
SSE: WHile it had an ending needed an overhaul
UOE: still the same as to day.

So I fail to see how Epcot was in better shape a decade ago.