Imagineer Tom Fitzgerald takes over the creative direction of Epcot

[JEANYLASER]

I hope to bring back Horizons to replace WOF! I love Horizons and I do miss it!

 

[doctornick]

The old TT may have had some educational value, but the Tron update of TT pretty much took the educational parts out in favor of non scripted random neon cut outs.

One thing I don't understand about the new TT is why they don't have "hot" and "cold" areas to correspond to those "tests". That was a good physical effect that made the ride interesting.

Also, they had that belgium blocks area in the old TT that would have been good to keep as well. I thought that was a nice effect.

 

[Voice of Disney sanity]

To replace Stitch? Absolutely.

like I said

 

[Voice of Disney sanity]

It isn't so much bringing back old attractions as advocating that Disney understand the meaning and message of the past attractions. Nemo doesn't do anything for the Living Seas experience. MS is pretty much old after the first couple of times you ride it. There is a reason it perpetually has a 5-10 minute "wait" time. The new Figment is just lost. Odyssey and WoL are basically empty and useless buildings. There is so much potential, but instead of a new Horizons style experience, we will probably end up with a new Smoking area with a beer and pretzel cart and a few cardboard walls with Perry the Platypus painted on it.

I agree with this 100% but costantly asking to bring back Horizons is like praying that god bring back an old pet that died... it aint gonna happen

 

[Crazy Harry]

I agree with this 100% but costantly asking to bring back Horizons is like praying that god bring back an old pet that died... it aint gonna happen

You don't have to bring back a specific ride to utilize a past idea. Little Mermaid and BatB attractions were originally slated for Disneyland Paris back in what...1994? And yet there they are in Fantasyland. A space pavillion was originally conceived in the 80's for Epcot, and not built until 2003?, in a different incarnation of course. And then there is figment. At one time you could make the same type of statement about him as you have about Horizons.

Having an attraction about the future in an area called 'Future World' in a park whose origianl concept revolved around a future city is completely logical. You don't even have to call it Horizons to utilize the concept. You can get a new pet of the same breed after all

 

[sshindel]

Having an attraction about the future in an area called 'Future World' in a park whose origianl concept revolved around a future city is completely logical. You don't even have to call it Horizons to utilize the concept. You can get a new pet of the same breed after all

Yup.
I'm not clamoring for Horizons (I deeply love that ride, but at this point, it's dead). I'm clamoring for Horizon's spiritual successor. Or, at the very least, that every attraction in Future World ties into the mission statement of Epcot as well as Horizons did in the past.

 

[Voice of Disney sanity]

Mission to Mars > Mission Space

No it's not and that is the same BS people were saying about CPT EO until they brought it back and everyone saw just how cheesey it really was. Let me correct that formula for you. Memory > Reality

 

[Voice of Disney sanity]

Yup.
I'm not clamoring for Horizons (I deeply love that ride, but at this point, it's dead). I'm clamoring for Horizon's spiritual successor. Or, at the very least, that every attraction in Future World ties into the mission statement of Epcot as well as Horizons did in the past.

This!

 

[Crazy Harry]

I agree with what you're saying. The problem comes from "EDUCATION" POC and the HM are purely entertainment therefore they do not get stale over time whereas SSE is mostly Education and does after a few rides. TT is a blend of EDU and ENTERTAINMET so it doesn't get stale.

Does it really make a difference though in terms of relevancy and freshness whether it is arguably 'entertainment' or 'education'? No matter what dark ride style attraction it is, they are still telling a story. If you really like the story of the attraction, you will continue to ride, unless you are not a fan of redundancy altogether. SSE is one of my favorite so for me it never gets stale. So I think it is just more that the story of the ride appeals to me more than to you.

 

[CDavid]

No it's not and that is the same BS people were saying about CPT EO until they brought it back and everyone saw just how cheesey it really was. Let me correct that formula for you. Memory > Reality

By what standard, other than personal opinion, do you believe Mission Space superior to Mission to Mars?

I agree with this 100% but costantly asking to bring back Horizons is like praying that god bring back an old pet that died... it aint gonna happen

The probability of something happening need not reflect our fondness for what we have lost nor our personal desire to see it restored. While there is no realistic chance, strictly speaking, neither event is impossible.

There has probably never been a Disney attraction created which wasn't someone's favorite.

 

[Voice of Disney sanity]

By what standard, other than personal opinion, do you believe Mission Space superior to Mission to Mars?

You're right it is personal opinion.

 

[Crazy Harry]

By what standard, other than personal opinion, do you believe Mission Space superior to Mission to Mars?

You're right it is personal opinion.

Whether an attraction is 'good' or 'bad' is always really a matter of personal opinion, but you can certainly make a case.

For two attractions that are supposed to simulate space flight, M:S is certainly more realistic. Centrifuge>vibrating seat?

 

[LorangeJuice]

I don't hear anyone on here asking for Microsoft to bring back the old Atari games to play on the XBOX?

That's because there is a whole entire lucrative business that already exists called the XBOX Live Arcade that offers both original and classic arcade games. May not have Atari games per se but those aren't necessary since all the cool kids already modded their XBOX 360's because emulators.

It occurs to me that the original idea of EPCOT is rendered impotent by the internet. Back in the early 80's when it opened it was one of the few places on earth where you could come and see things like they had there. Now days we see things on the internet the first day they come out. All of us have devices in our pockets that are more state of the art than the vehicals that went to the moon. I'm not sure what Technology Disney can bring into EPCOT that might fascinate anyone for more than a month?

Horizons still fascinates 15 years after its demise. No reason not to have a Horizons 2.0. Show me space colonies, floating cities, and by golly, bring me some freshly picked loranges from the desert farms of Mesa Verde, and I'll get all of my fellow Horizons fanbois to go away for good!

All jokes aside, let's get back to those bold concepts that even the internet can't spoil!

 

[sshindel]

All jokes aside, let's get back to those bold concepts that even the internet can't spoil!

Rule 34. The Internet can spoil anything.

Ok, that isn't EXACTLY what rule 34 states, but I think it's in the general ballpark

 

[Voice of Disney sanity]

Does it really make a difference though in terms of relevancy and freshness whether it is arguably 'entertainment' or 'education'? No matter what dark ride style attraction it is, they are still telling a story. If you really like the story of the attraction, you will continue to ride, unless you are not a fan of redundancy altogether. SSE is one of my favorite so for me it never gets stale. So I think it is just more that the story of the ride appeals to me more than to you.

It does matter. It has to be entertaining first or IMO it will not stand the test of time. When I say that im talking in the pure sense of the word not if its classified as entertainment or not. But whether or not it entertains the person experiencing it. As far as I can tell the lines at SSE are WAY shorter now than in the 80's so I have to think that most visitors NEW AND OLD find it stale. I haven't waited to board it since 1994 and at this point wouldn't wait more than 5 minutes to do so

 

[Radok Block]

I'm going to chime in just to throw my vote behind what others have already and more eloquently said: I don't want old EPCOT rides back. But I do want that spirit, ambition, and aesthetic back.

 

[Voice of Disney sanity]

That's because there is a whole entire lucrative business that already exists called the XBOX Live Arcade that offers both original and classic arcade games. May not have Atari games per se but those aren't necessary since all the cool kids already modded their XBOX 360's because emulators.

But no one is paying full price for those classics like we have to pay when we enter WDW. Price those Atari classics at $60 each and see how many sell
Take all those stale attractions down the street and open "Yesterday world" and I'll pay $17 to ride them. but I don't want to ride them for $80 plus

 

[Kman101]

SSE is an omnimover and can put through a lot of people at a time. Doesn't make it unpopular, but you are making some valid points. No one here is saying they want a museum though, aside from maybe one or two people.

And if they do, so what?

 

[sshindel]

But no one is paying full price for those classics like we have to pay when we enter WDW. Price those Atari classics at $60 each and see how many sell
Take all those stale attractions down the street and open "Yesterday world" and I'll pay $17 to ride them. but I don't want to ride them for $80 plus

Again though, one person's stale is another person's classic. I'm personally done with Peter Pan's Flight, and it was near the top of my list a scant 5-10 years ago. On the other hand, my favorite attraction, The Enchanted Tiki Room, was once considered so stale that they decided to update it to keep with the times not too long ago (Under New Management) before a stroke of luck (and fire) helped them correct that mistake.

 

[Voice of Disney sanity]

SSE is an omnimover and can put through a lot of people at a time. Doesn't make it unpopular, but you are making some valid points. No one here is saying they want a museum though, aside from maybe one or two people.

And if they do, so what?

Point taken but it was an omnimover in 84 and 86, 87 and 89 when I rode but it was still a 2 hour wait. Now it's a walk on every time I visit