Chezman1399
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I had to laugh at this as I support a project on Space Station as a contractor and had to work up an equation while on vacation at Disney World before, lol.
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I'm not going to Disney World any more!!!!!!
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I had to laugh at this as I support a project on Space Station as a contractor and had to work up an equation while on vacation at Disney World before, lol.
StarWarsGirl
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Which is why not everything that they do in DL would work in WDW and vice versa. Look at how much everyone over here loved traditional Epcot, but over there they fought it
If it affected the quality of the food and the service, and included price increases on top of it, then yes.
Soarin2u
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I've said this before in a separate thread the screen is larger than a small house and is curved. Something's going to have to go for a screen like that. So what's its slightly grainy? It's worth the exsperience in my opinion. Also head over ther during Illuminations, the wait will be sliced into a third.
sbkline
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True. But, think of it as "voting" with your money. Support the parts of Disney that you like. Don't support the parts you don't like. Yes, the collective pot is the same but the difference can be when the parts in the pot are looked at individually. Of course many will say, "You're 1 person. You don't go but someone else will." This is also true. I haven't been on a WDW parks vacation in almost 2 years. For me it's more about not throwing away perfectly good money and living by what I say. It's easy as pie to say, "I don't like what WDW is doing, someone should do something." It's a whole other ballgame when you actually stand behind the words. Sure there's others lined up to walk thru the WDW parks gates even when I'm not but I feel better knowing it wasn't me. If it never makes a bit of difference at least I felt better about it.
I don't like certain things that the Disney company promotes and is involved in and as a Christian, I sometimes face the question of whether I should put money into their pockets and help fund their company. But I look at it this way: not only does Disney have their hands in almost everything, but almost every company out there is involved in SOMETHING objectionable. If I want to "vote with my wallet" against Disney, then now I have to abstain from anything Star Wars, anything Marvel, anything ABC, etc. Anytime I pay my Dish Network bill, I am putting money in the hands of people who offer programming which Disney is involved in, not to mention all the smut and o programming that they offer. By working at Walmart and shopping at Walmart, I am helping to support a company that sells alcohol and cigarretes, and I'm sure that they are involved in their share of corporate corruption as well, not to mention rumors of Chinese sweat shops which makes the clothing Walmart sells.
I don't want to tell people how to spend or how NOT to spend their money, and if you or anyone else wants to "vote with your wallet" as some people call it and avoid WDW or anything else, that's your perogative and your business. But as for myself, it seems that if I withhold my business from every company that is involved in something shady, immoral, greedy, etc, there isn't going to be anywhere left to do business. As long as I walk this Earth and breathe this air, I have to buy things and do business in this world and I can't constantly go around worrying about who is involved in what or which business promote this or that, or what kind of shady business practices this or that company does, etc.
I don't know if Disney is being greedy and unfair to their employees, or if they are simply doing what they have to do to turn a profit with all the ridiculous anti-business policies being implemented by our government, but I enjoy what they have down there and I love taking my family and I look forward to that annual trip and the chance to get away for a while. So I just go down there and have a good time and focus on the memories I am creating with my family and I don't worry about whether I am "voting with my wallet" in favor of despicable practices. Like I said, if I boycotted every business which is involved in things I don't like, or which treat their employees poorly or whatever, not only would I probably have to quit my job, but I would be hard pressed to do business ANYWHERE, including buying food and clothing, paying for electricity, etc.
About the only way to come anywhere close to seperating yourself from all of those things is to live on a commune or to become Amish. Again, not trying to diss you or anyone else, but just a few things to think about.
sweetpee_1993
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I get what you're saying and for the most part I feel the same way. I don't obsess over not supporting this company or that company in the purest form of "voting with my wallet". I realize that's a futile effort at best. Business is business same as politics are politics. It's all pretty disgusting if you look too close so it's best to enjoy the bliss in ignorance. If I knew too much I'd be ed too much. 99.9% of why I won't go into the 4 parks or take another dedicated WDW trip anytime soon is because I'm pretty well "over" the WDW parks. They're always crowded even in "off" times nowadays unless you get up at the crack of dawn to be there early which is NOT fun for a non-morning person. In fact, getting up early is more akin to work than vacation for me. I find as I get older the out-manuevering of the crowds aggravates me more. I don't even want to have to think about any of that. I don't like to plan so much so far out to be able to eat meals in the popular restaurants. Then there's the added plan-ahead garbage with the whole FP+ stuff. Download apps. Do this. Do that. No thanks. Planning a vacation shouldn't require an education and a job in WDW logistics. The prices go up-up-up but I'm bored a lot of the time or aggravated by so much it's not worth the cost to go for us. We've found another way to enjoy "Disney" multiple times a year vs. just once without the stress or irritation that is compounded by the insane costs. We've found new-to-us stuff that excites & interests us. I don't have to do all the crazy planning. We can show up and my reservations to sit down and have a full service meal are done. Most anything we want additional reservations for we can get because inventory is held back for booking when people are on the fly. Don't have to worry about budgeting, etc. It's all prepaid. So yes, it's voting for the Disney offerings I prefer where I feel the value is for us, but then it's mostly a consumer thing. I'm not spending thousands of dollars to not have a good time or walk away feeling like I got mugged. I found what's worth the price of admission for us. It works better for us. And, the lagniappe is that I'm indirectly "voting" by routing my thousands of vacation dollars to where I feel they're better deserved. Not the driving force in why we go but a nice little happy thought that puts the sprinkles on top of the killer cupcake for us. That's just me. And, ya know, if we burn out on this stuff down the road that's okay, too. It's a great big world to explore. I'm all about new discoveries, new adventures, and new memories. I don't think we'll ever have a problem with ways to spend the vacation bucks.
Patrick_Ears
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Disney is making money?? hmm...
ddbowdoin
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sbkline
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I get what you're saying and for the most part I feel the same way. I don't obsess over not supporting this company or that company in the purest form of "voting with my wallet". I realize that's a futile effort at best. Business is business same as politics are politics. It's all pretty disgusting if you look too close so it's best to enjoy the bliss in ignorance. If I knew too much I'd be ed too much. 99.9% of why I won't go into the 4 parks or take another dedicated WDW trip anytime soon is because I'm pretty well "over" the WDW parks. They're always crowded even in "off" times nowadays unless you get up at the crack of dawn to be there early which is NOT fun for a non-morning person. In fact, getting up early is more akin to work than vacation for me. I find as I get older the out-manuevering of the crowds aggravates me more. I don't even want to have to think about any of that. I don't like to plan so much so far out to be able to eat meals in the popular restaurants. Then there's the added plan-ahead garbage with the whole FP+ stuff. Download apps. Do this. Do that. No thanks. Planning a vacation shouldn't require an education and a job in WDW logistics. The prices go up-up-up but I'm bored a lot of the time or aggravated by so much it's not worth the cost to go for us. We've found another way to enjoy "Disney" multiple times a year vs. just once without the stress or irritation that is compounded by the insane costs. We've found new-to-us stuff that excites & interests us. I don't have to do all the crazy planning. We can show up and my reservations to sit down and have a full service meal are done. Most anything we want additional reservations for we can get because inventory is held back for booking when people are on the fly. Don't have to worry about budgeting, etc. It's all prepaid. So yes, it's voting for the Disney offerings I prefer where I feel the value is for us, but then it's mostly a consumer thing. I'm not spending thousands of dollars to not have a good time or walk away feeling like I got mugged. I found what's worth the price of admission for us. It works better for us. And, the lagniappe is that I'm indirectly "voting" by routing my thousands of vacation dollars to where I feel they're better deserved. Not the driving force in why we go but a nice little happy thought that puts the sprinkles on top of the killer cupcake for us. That's just me. And, ya know, if we burn out on this stuff down the road that's okay, too. It's a great big world to explore. I'm all about new discoveries, new adventures, and new memories. I don't think we'll ever have a problem with ways to spend the vacation bucks.
I understand and respect that. Naturally, if you don't enjoy it as much as you used to, or just don't find that the quality justifies the price, then it is reasonable to spend your money elsewhere on something else that you enjoy more. I just always caution people about withholding their business out of protest because if you took that logically to its conclusion, we would all be growing our own food and making our own clothes and not venturing out past our own property lest we end up doing business with the "wrong" people.
Santa Raccoon 77
Thank you sir. You were an inspiration.
I get what you're saying and for the most part I feel the same way. I don't obsess over not supporting this company or that company in the purest form of "voting with my wallet". I realize that's a futile effort at best. Business is business same as politics are politics. It's all pretty disgusting if you look too close so it's best to enjoy the bliss in ignorance. If I knew too much I'd be ed too much. 99.9% of why I won't go into the 4 parks or take another dedicated WDW trip anytime soon is because I'm pretty well "over" the WDW parks. They're always crowded even in "off" times nowadays unless you get up at the crack of dawn to be there early which is NOT fun for a non-morning person. In fact, getting up early is more akin to work than vacation for me. I find as I get older the out-manuevering of the crowds aggravates me more. I don't even want to have to think about any of that. I don't like to plan so much so far out to be able to eat meals in the popular restaurants. Then there's the added plan-ahead garbage with the whole FP+ stuff. Download apps. Do this. Do that. No thanks. Planning a vacation shouldn't require an education and a job in WDW logistics. The prices go up-up-up but I'm bored a lot of the time or aggravated by so much it's not worth the cost to go for us. We've found another way to enjoy "Disney" multiple times a year vs. just once without the stress or irritation that is compounded by the insane costs. We've found new-to-us stuff that excites & interests us. I don't have to do all the crazy planning. We can show up and my reservations to sit down and have a full service meal are done. Most anything we want additional reservations for we can get because inventory is held back for booking when people are on the fly. Don't have to worry about budgeting, etc. It's all prepaid. So yes, it's voting for the Disney offerings I prefer where I feel the value is for us, but then it's mostly a consumer thing. I'm not spending thousands of dollars to not have a good time or walk away feeling like I got mugged. I found what's worth the price of admission for us. It works better for us. And, the lagniappe is that I'm indirectly "voting" by routing my thousands of vacation dollars to where I feel they're better deserved. Not the driving force in why we go but a nice little happy thought that puts the sprinkles on top of the killer cupcake for us. That's just me. And, ya know, if we burn out on this stuff down the road that's okay, too. It's a great big world to explore. I'm all about new discoveries, new adventures, and new memories. I don't think we'll ever have a problem with ways to spend the vacation bucks.
I honestly can say that in the 11 years i have been i haven't experienced this higher crowd level in quiet times.Maybe i have just hit it incredibly lucky but the parks are still as relativley uncrowded when we go as when we first went.
sweetpee_1993
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Oh no. January 2004 vs. January 2010 was a night & day difference. Very stark. For one thing, I don't recall seeing a single tour group in '04. Definitely saw more than a few in '10. September 2011 was prob'ly the busiest we've ever seen the parks. It pretty much sucked past the first hour or so. Then again, when I was a kid and we went during the "off" months walking on MS USA mid morning was akin to pre-park opening now. And that's when "going to Disney" was going to the MK. LOL!
ratherbeinwdw
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JP came immediately to mind. "But, John, when POTC breaks down, they don't eat the guests."So even if the pirates start attacking the people, they just keep sending in more boats?
Tomi-Rocket
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DL does the same thing, weirdo. (Insert eye roll here.)
Santa Raccoon 77
Thank you sir. You were an inspiration.
We must just hit the sweet spot for visiting . TBH the only tjing we don't like is the lack of dining options unless you book crazy in advance.We normally don't know where we will be each day let alone where we want to eat.On our first trip in 2001 we walked straight into both La Smellier (dissapointing) and Rose & Crown (very nice) now you cant get into either without a ressie
Goofyernmost
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To be honest I'm not completely convinced that this isn't a prime example of forced demand. They do have space available but spend some time convincing everyone that they have to make reservations 6 months in advance. Smoke and mirrors. It could backfire on them though.We must just hit the sweet spot for visiting . TBH the only tjing we don't like is the lack of dining options unless you book crazy in advance.We normally don't know where we will be each day let alone where we want to eat.On our first trip in 2001 we walked straight into both La Smellier (dissapointing) and Rose & Crown (very nice) now you cant get into either without a ressie
I travel single a lot. There is a restaurant right behind the Ice Cream Shop in MK (old age is preventing me from remembering the name of it right now), but I can remember walking up, fairly early, and being turned away because I didn't have a reservation and they were booked solid. I could see inside through the windows and at least half the tables were empty. I was annoyed and it is amazing what I am willing to do when angry, I found a spot not to far from the Restaurant and watch for almost 45 minutes (had Ice Cream in the meantime). The place remained half empty (or half full, depending on your outlook) for the entire time. I tired of spying and left the park, went to a nice restaurant offsite, at much less money. It only took a few minutes and after dinner I returned to the park for the evening. I have never tried again to experience that place.
3WaltFans
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LaughingGravy
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Our kids have only been to WDW twice. One is in high school now. While they of course want to go back, me and DW were able to do a solo trip to DL in conjunction with a business trip I had, so we lucked out.
We're planning on doing DL instead of WDW as the next trip if we can manage it, but after we take them to see some of the fantastic real things this country has to offer such as Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, and Yosemite.
I didn't get to see those until after I was 18, and in the way of family adventures, I think those things are must-dos if the kids are old enough to both appreciate and do safely. Many of the things there are not reasonable with small kids. With more realistic adventure comes some danger, and that is also of incredible value.
We're planning on doing DL instead of WDW as the next trip if we can manage it, but after we take them to see some of the fantastic real things this country has to offer such as Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, and Yosemite.
I didn't get to see those until after I was 18, and in the way of family adventures, I think those things are must-dos if the kids are old enough to both appreciate and do safely. Many of the things there are not reasonable with small kids. With more realistic adventure comes some danger, and that is also of incredible value.
Californian Elitist
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Bravo, sir!! I wish my parents took me and my siblings to see regional landmarks as kids.
Disneyfan21257
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Yep lol. BTW love your profile pic. Go Tribe!
Pocahontas
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Without money, they won't be able to pay the electric bills, water bills, et cetera. I don't think many people realize that Disney is a business. How will they be able to pay for your favorite attractions? When it comes down to it all, when Disney makes an executive decision, it's for us. The people who come to Disney World because we love it. They need money to make the experience better for us. Disney has so many people working for them, and that's fantastic. I don't think hourly cuts are a crime. Look at the big picture and maybe you'll be able to see.