Illuminations changes/New show rumor!

[dxwwf3]

I liked Light Magic :lookaroun

But I do agree that it's ok for someone to be hesitant about certain changes. Each attraction means something different to each person. For me, I can't wait until they ship ROE outta there because I've always found it to be vastly overrated (Though I did enjoy it on this trip more because I had skipped it for about 4 years in a row). But if ROE is one of your all time favorites, you are going to post differently about it and be skeptical of any changes. And TO ME that is perfectly fine to do. That's why we are here afterall.

And wannabe is right about the Land changes. I was very skeptical about them and Disney proved a lot of us wrong. But not every change that comes around is a positive one (Even though I liked Journey Into Your Imagination, I was in the minority big time and I think SGE speaks for itself). And when negative changes come, there is no "Do Over" button. We have to live with them for a number of years. But I will say that after the Land changover, Disney is starting to gain my confidence back. It was pretty low a year or two ago

 

[wannab@dis]

ok. I will yet again request that people PLEASE READ before attacking on people's "criticism." Sorry, Wannab@dis, but this is REALLY directed to you especially since you have done this to my posts several times. If you read WHAT I WROTE, I said that I:ROE nailed it. It was a great show. I didn't see where the improvement would come from (which in and of itself is interesting that I get attacked here because it is a new Epcot creation and some people seem to attack me as an originalist which is not true - to be honest, the return of Illuminations or Illuminations 25 would be horrible in my opinion). The theme came out in the title, and SkyDance didn't have that on its face. I was not criticizing it and, in fact, I SPECIFICALLY SAID IN CAPITALS (means this is the important part) that I really hoped that they did. It absolutely could be done (again, said that). It just didn't jump off the page as to what it would be and where it would go. Disney set the bar very high for itself, and it can meet it (as it has in the past as Yensid points out with several good examples). However, it can also fall short (as it objectively also has in the past), and the higher a bar, the greater chance of that happening. You can't know until the show comes out.

I don't want this to come into some big war as everything seems to be around here now, but learn to understand what you are posting. Opinions are the reason this exists. If every post was "that's great" this would be very boring. As long as people support their opinions, I am all for any side. This is especially true when you claim something not actually being done. I:ROE is perhaps their greatest attractions of recent times IMHO, so of course I am hesitant. SkyDance suggests Light Magic to me, but I do not have a basis for that, so I will not say that SkyDance would be bad. I didn't say that; I won't say that until something else comes out about it (if something else...). Furthermore, I truly do HOPE that things will be even bigger and better. Just because someone is skeptical and not impressed immediately doesn't mean it can't be done. That attitude is what built Disney's empire, and NOT from the beancounters side as many like to claim.

There was no misreading what you posted. YOU don't understand how it may work, how the theme would be as good, or how the story would be as good. Your post had a negative conotation... otherwise, you wouldn't have added "hopefully they will prove me wrong." We could go back and find the same posts about The Land. And it's success has PROVEN those posts wrong.

Along with that, your (and others - it was not my intention to single you out alone in that post) posting history shows that you would rather things not change because it's never as good (in your eyes) as what was already there. Sometimes that unceasing need to complain about how things won't work or how it won't be as good just gets plain old. Being skeptical is fine, but when the skepticism becomes an encompassing pessimism, it's a little trying.

Please note that others are also asking that we wait until the RUMORED change takes place before bashing the POSSIBLE changes. :wave:

 

[CrashNet]

There was no misreading what you posted. YOU don't understand how it may work, how the theme would be as good, or how the story would be as good. Your post had a negative conotation... otherwise, you wouldn't have added "hopefully they will prove me wrong." We could go back and find the same posts about The Land. And it's success has PROVEN those posts wrong.

Along with that, your (and others - it was not my intention to single you out alone in that post) posting history shows that you would rather things not change because it's never as good (in your eyes) as what was already there. Sometimes that unceasing need to complain about how things won't work or how it won't be as good just gets plain old. Being skeptical is fine, but when the skepticism becomes an encompassing pessimism, it's a little trying.

Please note that others are also asking that we wait until the RUMORED change takes place before bashing the POSSIBLE changes. :wave:

Eh...to each their own.

No real need to argue over this guys. I personally LOVE RoE. I've seen it probably well over a hundred times from all over the lagoon, in its good times and bad times.

I think what makes me love RoE so much over every other show that EPCOT has hosted is that the entire set revolves around a central theme that seems to flow through the entire show. I think the fact that the music flows all the way through makes the show feel completely unified, something that I just don't remember seeing in previous shows.

With that said, I can understand how some can become defensive: we're talking about losing something we love so much and replacing it with an unknown that could be better or worse than what we have now. But at the same time, I took "hopefully they will prove me wrong" as a sign of optimism towards the future, not negatively. I take this thread with what I would call "fearful excitement": Excited to hear about new stuff, but afraid of the "what if's". I look forward to information we hear about this topic in the coming months, but I can't make an opinion until I see more.

If I had to voice an opinion, I would say the theme behind RoE (looking towards the future) is something that fits very well, but for those of us who still remember what it originally stood for (or who still remember what the 21 torches stand for), it may start to look dated. I don't want it to go, but I look forward to something new. Its the positives and negatives of anything that changes. We just don't know what is going to happen until go for it and see it.

 

[dxwwf3]

With that said, I can understand how some can become defensive: we're talking about losing something we love so much and replacing it with an unknown that could be better, or worse, than what we have now. But at the same time, I took "hopefully they will prove me wrong" as a sign of optimism towards the future, not negatively. I take this thread with what I would call "fearful excitement": Excited to hear about new stuff, but afraid of the "what if's".

That's what I was trying to say except you did it better

 

[Epcot82Guy]

Thanks for the posts, guys. I agree. It is skepticism for me, and I will keep it at that. I can see where some will see pessimism, but I guess I could spin it right back and say that unbridled optimism is just as trying and stagnates. But, that can also be seen as faith and hope, which are great things.

It is to each his own. I just ask that you have the respect to appreciate my skepticism just as I do your optimism. People are impressed by different things (and I'm not saying that meaning it's easier to impress someone than another... just different). My posting history has always been that I am skeptical that things will be replaced by things that are not better and, more dangerously, even worse. The Land came at a time when WDI was IMHO in that latter category. When you abuse the privilege of faith, you raise skepticism; basic human nature there. With attraction renovations, things like JIYI, JIIwF, SGE, etc. were the foundation upon which "renovations" were built, so I apologize for having skepticism. If it's trying, there are features to take care of that.

Anyway, I agree "to each his own." I would like to propose that we all will gladly respect optimism about things, even though we may not see the foundation for it outside of blind faith, if everyone will respect the skepticism, even if it looks like pessimistic criticism.

 

[imagineer99]

Does anybody else find it slightly ironic that we are receiving the desired pictures from one of wdwmagic's most infamous banned members?

Anywho, I'll throw in my two cents. ROE is my favorite night-time show at WDW. However, I can be the first to admit that a new show wouldn't hurt. It's been running since 2000. I picture the brand new show to open in sync with EPCOT's 25th.

My only hope is this: Make sure they create a musical score that is comparable to the genius of Reflections of Earth. Hands down, the gorgeous and powerful score is ROE's greatest asset. Even if you're not a fan of the show, no one can deny that the music rocks.

Hopefully, they can somehow repeat the magic.

 

[wannab@dis]

Does anybody else find it slightly ironic that we are receiving the desired pictures from one of wdwmagic's most infamous banned members?

Anywho, I'll throw in my two cents. ROE is my favorite night-time show at WDW. However, I can be the first to admit that a new show wouldn't hurt. It's been running since 2000. I picture the brand new show to open in sync with EPCOT's 25th.

My only hope is this: Make sure they create a musical score that is comparable to the genius of Reflections of Earth. Hands down, the gorgeous and powerful score is ROE's greatest asset. Even if you're not a fan of the show, no one can deny that the music rocks.

Hopefully, they can somehow repeat the magic.

Oh yeah, I noticed the source of the pictures and had a good laugh.

I agree imagineer99... ROE is a great show that I love seeing! I also hope that a new show, if it happens, will make me want to see it every night and live up to ROE legacy.

Epcot82Guy: The post that I quoted above shows skepticism about a possible new show. However, looking forward to a new show and optimism of another great show is also apparent. Had you made the same post, I would have agreed with you. Maybe it was more than the skepticism in your post that caught my eye, but a lack of optimistic outlook. Does that make sense?

 

[wdwishes2005]

Cool.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Care if I add that quote to my signature?

No.








Nah, I'm just kidding. Go ahead .

Yensid " " tlaw1969

 

[ballewclan]

woo new show

 

[imagineersrock]

Does anybody else find it slightly ironic that we are receiving the desired pictures from one of wdwmagic's most infamous banned members?

I know we've had our fair share of infamous banned folks on these boards, but this guy isn't ringing a bell. What was he banned for---Will it make me want to remove the photos so that I am not associated with him? :lookaroun

Anywho, I'll throw in my two cents. ROE is my favorite night-time show at WDW. However, I can be the first to admit that a new show wouldn't hurt. It's been running since 2000. I picture the brand new show to open in sync with EPCOT's 25th.

My only hope is this: Make sure they create a musical score that is comparable to the genius of Reflections of Earth. Hands down, the gorgeous and powerful score is ROE's greatest asset. Even if you're not a fan of the show, no one can deny that the music rocks.

Hopefully, they can somehow repeat the magic.

I agree, RoE's score has to be one of my all-time favorite pieces of music.

 

[imagineer boy]

2.) (This new addition is already in place) A new effect has been added to Spaceship Earth once the show has finished. Somewhat like the effect shown after the holiday-tag version (All the different language good-byes) At the end of RoE, lasers from the American Adventure now create a "spinning globe" effect on Spaceship Earth. There is also text that reads:

Holy crap! I remember hearing that same rumor on these boards a LONG time ago. And they said they'd have to take down the wand in order to achieve the effect! I hope this rumor is true! Not only would the effect be cool, but it would also signal the end of the wand.:sohappy:

 

[dxwwf3]

It's already working imagineer boy. I guess you've never seen the effect, because it wouldn't need a wand removal work (Obviously since they've started doing it again). Actually I don't know why they ever quit doing this. It's a great effect and a nice send off for the night.

 

[unkadug]

Well, Imagineersrock it seems that you ran into somebody from Don Dorsey Productions at Epcot.

I just checked his website http://dorseyproductions.com/projects.html and under current projects it does list Sky Dance !!

 

[dxwwf3]

Nice find unkadug

 

[dxwwf3]

Even if you're not a fan of the show, no one can deny that the music rocks.

No doubt. My biggest gripe about the show is the globe sequence. It's almost the equivalent to the rave scene in Matrix Reloaded, but I think the globe is MUCH, MUCH worse. I liked that part of the show during the 2000 celebration, but now it almost puts me to sleep. And IMO the Peace on Earth finale puts ROE to shame in the fireworks department. That shows that there is certainly room for improvement.

 

[ejeremy98]

i'm with you....it's a shame how all the pavilions hardly play a role in ROE compared to how they were the center of the show during original illumiNations. we might as well not even capitalize the N in it anymore because it has nothing to do with the "Nations."

 

[dxwwf3]

Hopefully the capital N will be needed again in the next show ejeremy98.

 

[utrythinkinof1]

:sohappy: That's awsome!!!:sohappy:

 

[matthope03]

So when can we expect this Skydance show to start running at Epcot?