Iger Says Avatar Most Likely 2015, Hints at Marvel, More Pirates and Cars

[Pitchforkman]

Now that John Carter is the biggest flop in movie history I'd say its a done deal that Iger is jumping in bed with the avatar franchise.

It is not the biggest flop in film history.

 

[NoChesterHester]

It is not the biggest flop in film history.

There is a long list of huge flops.

 

[ChrisFL]

While some people like to believe that Disney can't use the Marvel characters because of some contracts signed before Disney purchased the company, rest assured Disney with their lawyers get that flushed down the toilet.

I mean, Disney spent billions to aquire Marvel, you really think they will let Universal hold exclusive rights?

Seriously?


Jimmy Thick-Loopholes? Anyone? Bueller?

 

[Mouse Detective]

While some people like to believe that Disney can't use the Marvel characters because of some contracts signed before Disney purchased the company, rest assured Disney with their lawyers get that flushed down the toilet. I mean, Disney spent billions to aquire Marvel, you really think they will let Universal hold exclusive rights?
Seriously?

Ahh yes, seriously. A contract is a contract, it's been well-discussed here in the forums including the posting of a copy of the contract itself.
Disney could try to buy out the contract but they couldn't afford the dollars it would take as the value has skyrocketed.

 

[Pitchforkman]

There is a long list of huge flops.

Exactly, i can think of two that came out last year that are bigger...The Thing and Green Lantern. John Carter has not even ended its theater run it still will make a ton in DVD/Blu Ray sales.

 

[flynnibus]

Exactly, i can think of two that came out last year that are bigger...The Thing and Green Lantern. John Carter has not even ended its theater run it still will make a ton in DVD/Blu Ray sales.

Disney is prepping to write off 200 Million for JC..

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20120319/john-carter-losing-millions-120319/

Some key quotes for this ongoing discussion..

LOS ANGELES — "John Carter" is now officially a flop of galactic proportions.

The Walt Disney Co. said Monday that it expects to book a loss of $200 million on the movie in the quarter through March. That ranks it among Hollywood's all-time biggest money-losers.
[...]The flop ranks with history's biggest box office disasters, although it's tough to rank them precisely because of inflation and incomplete disclosure

The home movie sale market isn't nearly what it used to be... the home market isn't going to bail anyone out hundreds of millions of dollars anymore. With the growing online market, and $1 rentals... hoping the bluray market will save this money is fantasy.

 

[Pitchforkman]

Disney is prepping to write off 200 Million for JC..

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20120319/john-carter-losing-millions-120319/

Some key quotes for this ongoing discussion..



The home movie sale market isn't nearly what it used to be... the home market isn't going to bail anyone out hundreds of millions of dollars anymore. With the growing online market, and $1 rentals... hoping the bluray market will save this money is fantasy.

The movie still has some weeks left in the theater and is still doing well in the foreign markets. DVD sales can save a movie. Will it turn a profit? Probably not, biggest flop ever? No way. I can name atleast 10 movies that are bigger flops.

 

[ChrisFL]

I just don't see how they spent over $250 million filming it. No big stars and CGI that looks like it came from Square/Enix of Final Fanstasy fame who definitely don't spend that much money on their game designs (and this isn't hating on Final Fantasy games/movies, I LOVE them, just stating an opinion on the amount of $$$ spent on CGI)

I thought with all of this talk of copyright problems and the poor, poor hollywood studios losing so much money in piracy rolleyes they'd be trying to spend less money on movies that aren't a sure success.

 

[Pitchforkman]

I just don't see how they spent over $250 million filming it. No big stars and CGI that looks like it came from Square/Enix of Final Fanstasy fame who definitely don't spend that much money on their game designs (and this isn't hating on Final Fantasy games/movies, I LOVE them, just stating an opinion on the amount of $$$ spent on CGI)

I thought with all of this talk of copyright problems and the poor, poor hollywood studios losing so much money in piracy rolleyes they'd be trying to spend less money on movies that aren't a sure success.

The CGI i thought was amazing and I can understand how it can cost a pretty penny.

 

[HMButler79]

The movie still has some weeks left in the theater and is still doing well in the foreign markets. DVD sales can save a movie. Will it turn a profit? Probably not, biggest flop ever? No way. I can name atleast 10 movies that are bigger flops.

Weeks left? Hunger Games opens this Fri! There are no more weeks left for it.....

 

[flynnibus]

The movie still has some weeks left in the theater and is still doing well in the foreign markets

Yeah, pulling 1-3 million a week for the next few weeks in theaters is really gonna save it! :lol: International it's already made the bulk of what it will.

DVD sales NOW are different from the past. The world and market has changed.

People need to stop thinking behaviors of markets a 5-10 years ago still apply now.

The # of theaters a film is in now at opening and the # of screens available means the # of weeks they last in theaters go way down. Movies do not last months with their revenues slowly trickling anymore. Movie's drop off 20-50% per week now almost by standard. JC never performed and bigger competition came along almost immediately. It's earning days are mostly over.

The 'home market' is not what it used to be... as already stated, new formats, new distribution methods, new price models... you can't use thinking of ages ago to say how things will work now. Even BLOCKBUSTERS like twilight have only pulled 85million in home sales.

JC will be lucky to make 25 million in home sales I bet.

So maybe they collect another 50+ million.. and they'll still lose 100-150 million on this film.

 

[flavious27]

I could see a Heros/Villians themed land at DHS, but not sure about a whole park...I definitely could see Disney Sea happen in Orlando...or at DL. But unfortunately, any new park built in the states would be a mammoth undertaking financially. With all the out of work construction it would seem like the time to do it affordably

I think we'll see a few more parks overseas, and a few more expansions before any new american parks are plucked from blue sky

After Pandora breaks ground, the next big investment in florida will most likely be another MK expansion/redo...they got space in both TL and FL/LS to do some pretty special things.

I can see the heroes vs villains being used as part of a mini land or just one or two attractions.

For the next expansion after avaland, it should go to dhs. Avaland would help dak to not be a 1/2 day park, that would leave dhs as the only gate with that distinction.

It is not the biggest flop in film history.

They are writing off like $200 million for it. This movie was the 4th most expensive to produce; the other movies in the top 20 made their budget back.

Some people also like to believe that the theme parks are the only and or biggest money making part of the Marvel deal investment. Deeply wrong. The deal was made off of the fact that the movies make so much buck as well as the video games, cartoons and other popular media, particularly for young male audience.

The theme parks and the resorts are the lowest money makers on the chain, even below Cruises.

If they were able to bring Marvel into FL within the next ten years, they would of announced it by now. Just look at how quick they were to announce and jump the gun on The Avatar stuff for Animal Kingdom.

You can count out video games or an other interactive media counting towards the bottom line, they have been losing more and more money every year.

The studios make less money than the parks do, both in size and in margins. People will come every year to see IP in the parks, they will only see a movie once in the theaters and less than that with a purchased form of home media.

 

[SyracuseOrange]

I just don't see how they spent over $250 million filming it. No big stars and CGI that looks like it came from Square/Enix of Final Fanstasy fame who definitely don't spend that much money on their game designs (and this isn't hating on Final Fantasy games/movies, I LOVE them, just stating an opinion on the amount of $$$ spent on CGI)

I thought with all of this talk of copyright problems and the poor, poor hollywood studios losing so much money in piracy rolleyes they'd be trying to spend less money on movies that aren't a sure success.

We're getting off topic...but a lot of the more expensive scenes had to be re-shot, really inflating the cost of the movie.

 

[xdan0920]

...that's why I said "rumored."

Eh. It was never really rumored to be a project that Disney was working on. Just sort of invented in fan forums.

Exactly, i can think of two that came out last year that are bigger...The Thing and Green Lantern. John Carter has not even ended its theater run it still will make a ton in DVD/Blu Ray sales.

The movie still has some weeks left in the theater and is still doing well in the foreign markets. DVD sales can save a movie. Will it turn a profit? Probably not, biggest flop ever? No way. I can name atleast 10 movies that are bigger flops.

Green Lantern was not a bigger flop then John Carter. The finances of tent pole films have been discussed ad nauseam on these boards, so I won't get into arguing the details, but Lantern was less of a disaster then Carter. No question.

I would like to see you attempt to name 10 bigger flops....

 

[xdan0920]

Hey...

It would be great. A puppet movie, I have never seen anything like this before. I hope it will be a great experience:sohappy:

BTW I am a fan of Disney movies. I loved most of them.

Hope we get a legendary movie.....:king::king:

Regards
:fork::fork:

I agree with everything here.

 

[Pitchforkman]

Eh. It was never really rumored to be a project that Disney was working on. Just sort of invented in fan forums.





Green Lantern was not a bigger flop then John Carter. The finances of tent pole films have been discussed ad nauseam on these boards, so I won't get into arguing the details, but Lantern was less of a disaster then Carter. No question.

I would like to see you attempt to name 10 bigger flops....

Green Lantern did lose about 200 million so yes as of right now it is a bigger flop. The movie still has atleast three weeks in the theater here and abroad and the dvd/blu ray sales so it will not in the long run lose 200 million

 

[GLaDOS]

Green Lantern did lose about 200 million so yes as of right now it is a bigger flop.

Green Lantern made back its production budget, and a bit over at least, not counting whatever it made on DVD.

John Carter still has 80 million dollars to go before it reaches its budget alone, forgoing advertisement costs. It will make pennies the rest of its domestic run with Hunger Games releasing this week and eating up a ton of screens.

So no, at this point, Green Lantern is not a bigger flop, although it was a horrible movie.

 

[xdan0920]

Green Lantern did lose about 200 million so yes as of right now it is a bigger flop. The movie still has atleast three weeks in the theater here and abroad and the dvd/blu ray sales so it will not in the long run lose 200 million

Source????

 

[Pitchforkman]

Green Lantern made back its production budget, and a bit over at least, not counting whatever it made on DVD.

John Carter still has 80 million dollars to go before it reaches its budget alone, forgoing advertisement costs. It will make pennies the rest of its domestic run with Hunger Games releasing this week and eating up a ton of screens.

So no, at this point, Green Lantern is not a bigger flop, although it was a horrible movie.

I just looked into it and you are correct. Thank you i was wrong. It is very possible that with its continued run and dvd sales it will make up some money but yeah it is no where near being the biggest flop ever.

 

[xdan0920]

I just looked into it and you are correct. Thank you i was wrong. It is very possible that with its continued run and dvd sales it will make up some money but yeah it is no where near being the biggest flop ever.

From the Washington Post......

LOS ANGELES — “John Carter” is now officially a flop of galactic proportions.

The Walt Disney Co. said Monday that it expects to book a loss of $200 million on the movie in the quarter through March. That’s among Hollywood’s biggest money-losers ever.

Sooooooo..........