If you do not think Universal smelled blood in the water before...

TubaGeek

God bless the "Ignore" button.
Ladies and gentlemen, the first stage of grief: denial.
Keep fighting the good fight, chum, and maybe you'll come out the other side as a changed man. I sure hope so.
Sorry, but I don't agree with this. At all. Disney hasn't been able to come up with a ride concept as advanced at Spider-Man, let alone Potter. Their last true "game changer" was Indiana Jones. In the mid 90's.

It's simply pathetic that their idea of innovation is a 4K 3D version of Star Tours and Soarin'.
I don't think it's a matter of creativity as much as a matter of willingness to spend. I've no doubt that the Imagineers have VAULTS of scrapped ride ideas because they'd be "too expensive". I'm sure they're far from pleased that a relatively simple Star Tours upgrade is the kind of project that sees the light of day, but Lord knows TDO will spin the media as best they can when trying to sell tickets.
 

maxairmike

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There won't be 10k hotel rooms ever at Universal unless they buy up a few hundred acres.

Not gonna happen.

Jimmy Thick- Disney will have 50k hotel rooms before Universal gets to 10k.

I'm not the insider Martin is, but I know enough to be laughing quite a bit at this statement. With the road improvements that will be completed/started between now and 2017...things will look a lot more promising on that front. Ever notice how Universal Blvd. has the brick pattern inlays (oddly similar to that swirl design on a rock sitting at the top of Mythos) at all the intersections down to Pointe Orlando? Yeah, there's plenty of interest down there, and also across the road from their current resort.
 

Tim Lohr

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Ladies and gentlemen, the first stage of grief: denial.
Keep fighting the good fight, chum, and maybe you'll come out the other side as a changed man. I sure hope so.

I don't think it's a matter of creativity as much as a matter of willingness to spend. I've no doubt that the Imagineers have VAULTS of scrapped ride ideas because they'd be "too expensive". I'm sure they're far from pleased that a relatively simple Star Tours upgrade is the kind of project that sees the light of day, but Lord knows TDO will spin the media as best they can when trying to sell tickets.

I'm pretty sure this is going to be over your head, but if this "money making scheme" fails to turn a quick profit for Comcast, it could bankrupt them, or they'll simply sell off NBC/Universal which probably won't bode well for them.

Disney will never sell off Disneyland or Disney World, instead they go out and buy properties like Star Wars and Marvel and ESPN to help finance DISNEY, and Disney is the only real film studio left anymore, all the others are either owned by larger corporations, like News Corp, Sony, Viacom, or are part of some conglomerate, like Aol-Time-Warner and Comcast-NBC-Universal. These companies don't know and don't really care about "good" movies and entertainment or the legacies of these studios, and if they get into finical trouble they will simply sell off their film catalogs like the people who owned MGM did a few years back. MGM no longer owns the Wizard of OZ, a film that they made in 1939 because of the huge success of a film in 1937 called Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs made by Walt Disney.

Disney has been pioneering films and entertainment for close to a century and they are biggest company in the world whose sole focus is films and entertainment, but this is nothing but a business move for Comcast, the guys whose business is built around charging ridiculous fees to put a cable in your basement, which is some thing that is quickly becoming obsolete as more and more people stop watching TV on their TVs.

So anyway, good luck with you theories, I'm really not interested in hearing any more of them though
 

TubaGeek

God bless the "Ignore" button.
These companies don't know and don't really care about "good" movies and entertainment or the legacies of these studios...
Oh, I see...
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BTW, I really love the skillful way you abandoned your old argument as soon as you realized you were wrong.
 
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lazyboy97o

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I'm pretty sure this is going to be over your head, but if this "money making scheme" fails to turn a quick profit for Comcast, it could bankrupt them, or they'll simply sell off NBC/Universal which probably won't bode well for them.

Disney will never sell off Disneyland or Disney World, instead they go out and buy properties like Star Wars and Marvel and ESPN to help finance DISNEY, and Disney is the only real film studio left anymore, all the others are either owned by larger corporations, like News Corp, Sony, Viacom, or are part of some conglomerate, like Aol-Time-Warner and Comcast-NBC-Universal. These companies don't know and don't really care about "good" movies and entertainment or the legacies of these studios, and if they get into finical trouble they will simply sell off their film catalogs like the people who owned MGM did a few years back. MGM no longer owns the Wizard of OZ, a film that they made in 1939 because of the huge success of a film in 1937 called Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs made by Walt Disney.

Disney has been pioneering films and entertainment for close to a century and they are biggest company in the world whose sole focus is films and entertainment, but this is nothing but a business move for Comcast, the guys whose business is built around charging ridiculous fees to put a cable in your basement, which is some thing that is quickly becoming obsolete as more and more people stop watching TV on their TVs.

So anyway, good luck with you theories, I'm really not interested in hearing any more of them though
The Walt Disney Company is not Walt Disney Productions. It is just as much a conglomerate as any of those other companies.

And they have seriously explored selling Walt Disney Parks and Resorts.
 

Californian Elitist

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I'm pretty sure this is going to be over your head, but if this "money making scheme" fails to turn a quick profit for Comcast, it could bankrupt them, or they'll simply sell off NBC/Universal which probably won't bode well for them.

Disney will never sell off Disneyland or Disney World, instead they go out and buy properties like Star Wars and Marvel and ESPN to help finance DISNEY, and Disney is the only real film studio left anymore, all the others are either owned by larger corporations, like News Corp, Sony, Viacom, or are part of some conglomerate, like Aol-Time-Warner and Comcast-NBC-Universal. These companies don't know and don't really care about "good" movies and entertainment or the legacies of these studios, and if they get into finical trouble they will simply sell off their film catalogs like the people who owned MGM did a few years back. MGM no longer owns the Wizard of OZ, a film that they made in 1939 because of the huge success of a film in 1937 called Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs made by Walt Disney.

Disney has been pioneering films and entertainment for close to a century and they are biggest company in the world whose sole focus is films and entertainment, but this is nothing but a business move for Comcast, the guys whose business is built around charging ridiculous fees to put a cable in your basement, which is some thing that is quickly becoming obsolete as more and more people stop watching TV on their TVs.

So anyway, good luck with you theories, I'm really not interested in hearing any more of them though

Didn't Bob Iger try to sell Disneyland? It's not like they haven't tried before.

Universal Studios was established in 1912, over one hundred years ago. Walt Disney was still in grade school at the time. Disney is not the only real film studio. In fact, not only does Universal Studios have the biggest backlot in the world, but Disney uses their backlot for their films and television shows.

Both Universal and Disney are legendary in film, but their legendary statuses cannot be compared.
 

njDizFan

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Here is my theory.

People want to go to Florida the first thing they think of is Disney, or I would be so bold as to think maybe 80% of travelers. With that line of thinking how many stay at a Disney resort? If they are staying at a Disney resort, they are buying tickets.

So to itemize for argument sake:

Florida vacation 7 days 6 nights.
6 nights at Disney resort.
7 days of tickets.

How is Disney losing money if someone goes to Universal for a day or two when they are already staying on property and they have bought tickets for those days as well? If you don't go to the Disney parks, you still bought the tickets. I have never met the person who did not buy more days than they could possibly need because when you get to day 6 or 7 you're spending a couple dollars to add those days. Thats how they hook you and gives you flexibility to go back to Disney parks after you visit other attractions. I know I do this myself. I don't know or can think of a valid reason why people would not.

You can make the same argument for people staying off property as well, its not as concrete as people staying on property, but its completely valid.

Universal's only lifeline in this is having people stay at their resorts instead of Disney, which is asking a lot for the vacation traveler. Of course you will have those that only want to do Universal, but that's an incredibily small segment at this time its really not mentionable. Until Universal can offer a complete all in one vacation, they will be feeding on the scraps Disney gives them, 2 parks, no matter how much Potter is in them, simply just don't cut it.

Jimmy Thick- I could say Universal is on its way when both parks can outdraw MK, until then....Nah.
Quite a few things in this post I really disagree with... first buying extra tickets just in case? I don't know about you or the people you associate with but the difference between a 5 day hopper and 7 day hoppers for a family of 5 is $225, not the few dollars you were espousing. That's enough to buy a lot of Harry Potter wands...or 1 1/2 (3) day Uni park hoppers.

Second and most of all, Disney is losing realy money when that family stays off property for even 1 day. The lost revenue on the price of food and merchandise that would be spent in that park is going elsewhere. And you know how it goes in business, once the customer sees what is availalble elsewhere, you stand the risk of them actually prefering the alternative.
 
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Tim Lohr

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Oh, I see...
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BTW, I really love the skillful way you abandoned your old argument as soon as you realized you were wrong.

Uh?... the fact that you still don't know what I'm talking about doesn't make "me" wrong, however YOU are real good at changing the subject

The Walt Disney Company is not Walt Disney Productions. It is just as much a conglomerate as any of those other companies.

And they have seriously explored selling Walt Disney Parks and Resorts.

Disney is the only company in the Film, entertainment, theme park, company that both produces and sells their own content, they are one company with many divisions, which in no way shape or form makes them a conglomerate. A conglomerate multiple, unrelated business that have gone into business together, the show 30ROCK was a satirical version of this type of business model where Alec Baldwin's character was an executive in charge of microwave ovens a TV programing

And way back in the late 70's they may have though about a sell off the parks and resorts but that was before Disney became one of the largest companies in the world, here in present day reality things are a bit different

Didn't Bob Iger try to sell Disneyland? It's not like they haven't tried before.

Universal Studios was established in 1912, over one hundred years ago. Walt Disney was still in grade school at the time. Disney is not the only real film studio. In fact, not only does Universal Studios have the biggest backlot in the world, but Disney uses their backlot for their films and television shows.

Both Universal and Disney are legendary in film, but their legendary statuses cannot be compared.

I'm comparing Disney and Comcast and their abilities/experience at creating original entrainment and running film studios and theme parks
 

lazyboy97o

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Disney is the only company in the Film, entertainment, theme park, company that both produces and sells their own content, they are one company with many divisions, which in no way shape or form makes them a conglomerate. A conglomerate multiple, unrelated business that have gone into business together, the show 30ROCK was a satirical version of this type of business model where Alec Baldwin's character was an executive in charge of microwave ovens a TV programing

And way back in the late 70's they may have though about a sell off the parks and resorts but that was before Disney became one of the largest companies in the world, here in present day reality things are a bit different
This says a lot regarding your awareness of the present situation.
 

TubaGeek

God bless the "Ignore" button.
Uh?... the fact that you still don't know what I'm talking about doesn't make "me" wrong, however YOU are real good at changing the subject
Man, I don't think even YOU understand what you're trying to say. It's like debating with a child. I honestly am curious if you're not 12.
Alright, bringing it back before any subject changes: how is DM2 NOT beating Frozen? It cost half as much, is currently winning by about $300K, and hasn't even opened in China yet. Try to avoid responding with a subject change or "DUMB?" this time. Thanks.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Here is my theory.

People want to go to Florida the first thing they think of is Disney, or I would be so bold as to think maybe 80% of travelers. With that line of thinking how many stay at a Disney resort? If they are staying at a Disney resort, they are buying tickets.

So to itemize for argument sake:

Florida vacation 7 days 6 nights.
6 nights at Disney resort.
7 days of tickets.

How is Disney losing money if someone goes to Universal for a day or two when they are already staying on property and they have bought tickets for those days as well? If you don't go to the Disney parks, you still bought the tickets. I have never met the person who did not buy more days than they could possibly need because when you get to day 6 or 7 you're spending a couple dollars to add those days. Thats how they hook you and gives you flexibility to go back to Disney parks after you visit other attractions. I know I do this myself. I don't know or can think of a valid reason why people would not.

You can make the same argument for people staying off property as well, its not as concrete as people staying on property, but its completely valid.

Universal's only lifeline in this is having people stay at their resorts instead of Disney, which is asking a lot for the vacation traveler. Of course you will have those that only want to do Universal, but that's an incredibily small segment at this time its really not mentionable. Until Universal can offer a complete all in one vacation, they will be feeding on the scraps Disney gives them, 2 parks, no matter how much Potter is in them, simply just don't cut it.

Jimmy Thick- I could say Universal is on its way when both parks can outdraw MK, until then....Nah.

You may not be concerned about people going off property to see other things, but it clear that Disney is from the Iger quote concerning My Magic+:

"We have for years had in place products that are available only to hotel guests. And actually, one thing that I think Jay alluded to, didn't say specifically, is the My Magic Plus will definitely encourage people to stay more on-property than off-property. Jay was talking about essentially by being able to plan ahead, people will basically have more plans with us, and that will in effect discourage them from doing other things. I think it will also encourage them to stay more in our hotels. And so I think you have to look at that as an additional value to My Magic Plus."


If Disney isn't considering Uni competition, then why this statement from Iger:

"We have for years had in place products that are available only to hotel guests. And actually, one thing that I think Jay alluded to, didn't say specifically, is the My Magic Plus will definitely encourage people to stay more on-property than off-property. Jay was talking about essentially by being able to plan ahead, people will basically have more plans with us, and that will in effect discourage them from doing other things. I think it will also encourage them to stay more in our hotels. And so I think you have to look at that as an additional value to My Magic Plus."

If there is no competition, then why would Disney even be concerned about people "doing other things"?
If Disney isn't considering Uni competition, then why this statement from Iger:

"We have for years had in place products that are available only to hotel guests. And actually, one thing that I think Jay alluded to, didn't say specifically, is the My Magic Plus will definitely encourage people to stay more on-property than off-property. Jay was talking about essentially by being able to plan ahead, people will basically have more plans with us, and that will in effect discourage them from doing other things. I think it will also encourage them to stay more in our hotels. And so I think you have to look at that as an additional value to My Magic Plus."

If there is no competition, then why would Disney even be concerned about people "doing other things"?
 

Tim Lohr

Well-Known Member
Man, I don't think even YOU understand what you're trying to say. It's like debating with a child. I honestly am curious if you're not 12.
Alright, bringing it back before any subject changes: how is DM2 NOT beating Frozen? It cost half as much, is currently winning by about $300K, and hasn't even opened in China yet. Try to avoid responding with a subject change or "DUMB?" this time. Thanks.
The thread is about Comcast puring money into theme parks
 

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