WDWDad13
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Yeah but look at this list see how many Disney movies were in the top 15
http://boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2013&p=.htm
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Yeah but look at this list see how many Disney movies were in the top 15
http://boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2013&p=.htm
ParentsOf4
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"We think we have room and capacity for 10,000 hotel rooms."
They already have 2400 rooms in their 3 Deluxe and Cabana Bay brings another 1800 onboard.
I don't believe Universal is ready for 10,000 hotel rooms, at least not until they figure out a way to expand in the parks. However, we all should expect one more Universal hotel soon.
Really, these new Universal hotels are going to have a bigger impact on Universal's "Partner Hotels" than on WDW. Universal’s moves might end up hurting other hotels in the area. WDW's hotels should sale through.
DLR has a more interesting model. For their 2 theme parks, they've kept 3 hotels (2500 rooms) at the high end of the market and partner with "Good Neighbor Hotels" for the rest. DLR’s situation is a little different though. A lot of these hotels are within walking distance.
Universal needs a third gate to seriously challenge WDW. Until then, most of Universal's moves (e.g. Diagon Alley) will end up helping WDW by drawing more tourists to Orlando. At best, Universal is a 4-day vacation and I think that’s being generous. I suspect most typically are done after 2. People need to spend the rest of their vacations somewhere and WDW is ready for them.
We’ll see over the next few years how serious Universal is about capturing market share. A few skirmishes have been fought. However, the main battle has not yet begun.
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TubaGeek
God bless the "Ignore" button.
Despicable Me 2 is TROUNCING Frozen, and with half the budget.
And, in terms of quality, Uni is already winning the theme park game.
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Disneyhead'71
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I think it's best if Disney continues to ignore the punk up the road. Just continue on their path of building rooms and shopping centers. That's what a destination theme park resort is really all about anyway.
Oh, and cupcakes. I forgot cupcakes.
Oh, and cupcakes. I forgot cupcakes.
I would love to see a list on how profitable those same films were.
TubaGeek
God bless the "Ignore" button.
Wow. I must say those two lists are quite different. Thanks for posting the link.
Zummi Gummi
Pioneering the Universe Within!
Universal doesn't have to be number 1(because they won't ever be) in order to "win" this war.
I still giggle at the naivete of people who think Harry Potter is some kind of "fad." That's not even a point worth arguing at this juncture.
I still giggle at the naivete of people who think Harry Potter is some kind of "fad." That's not even a point worth arguing at this juncture.
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tl77
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You're data is a little skewed... the budget for DM2 is lower because it's a sequel, this list is for 2013 and Fronzen still keeps popping into the #1 spot here now in 2014
TubaGeek
God bless the "Ignore" button.
What does it being a sequel have to do with anything? Sequels almost always have HIGHER budgets than the originals, and DM2 is no exception. And Frozen is still making impressive money, but DM2 will win, especially considering it won't open in China, the second-largest global market, for another two days.
GLaDOS
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You're kidding...right? I mean really, you have to be. 2014 is a WEEK old and you're using that data to say Universal has "no hit movies". I mean, people here can be dumb about the whole "Disney vs Universal" argument, but this takes the cake.
Universal set bench marks in domestic, international, and global (obviously) box office this year. Was it Disney's level? No. Disney made 4 billion in at the box office last year, and Uni made 3.5 billion. But to say Universal Studios is not relevant in today's movie scene is either laughably dumb or sadly ignorant. Or maybe a combination of both.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
The faulty part of your logic is you firm belief the Disney has something special that others cannot replicate, that people will ALWAYS come to Disney because they are Disney. In the past this was probably true, and it's not entirely un-true now, but that can change. There is absolutely no reason that Uni can't become a beloved destination just likely Disney that people return to time after time.
Yes, I am sure people will happily pay again. Your attempt to claim that people didn't like Phase 1 is laughable, since even with it's faults it has become a massive success. Phase 2 appears that it will improve on Phase 1 in every way, and will have no problem drawing those customers back again.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
And we all know that Frozen's grosses are just, just like Avatar, a result of the additional cost of 3D tickets and the fact that it was released at the end of the year when there isn't much competition. Nobody really likes Frozen.
Jimmy Thick
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These are nothing more than assumptions.
I don't know if people will come back to Universal for phase 2, its hard to imagine there will be another million people on top of the million people Potter already brought in. Thast assuming a lot. You cannot predict they will come back, I would safely assume on the side of caution they will not because the economy says differently. I don't have a crystal ball, but common sense says Iam more right than being wrong. Were dealing with a fad audience, a fad audience that already got Potter once, its not exact to assume they will want more Potter.
Universal will benefit more from the Seven Dwarfs mine ride than Potter phase 2.
As for people not liking Potter, um, yes, there are people who don't like it. Sadly, it true. Iam not one of them of course, but I know plenty. I also know of people who don't even know Universal parks exist nor care, yet they go to Disney all the time. Its a big big world out there outside of internet forums, with lots of people, and most of them prefer and go to WDW.
Jimmy Thick- And attendance proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
tl77
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Ummmm... Despicable Me 2 had it's entire theatrical run during the 2013 calendar year, Frozen opened in 2013 and is still in theaters in first place at the box office in 2014. but the IMDB page that was posted only covers the 2013 box office totals.
Maybe take a minute and read what people are actually talking about next time -thanks
tl77
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An CG animated sequel, is a lot less to produce than the original because some much of the pre-production cost of character design and voice casting is already done
Disneyhead'71
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Do the nurses know that you are out of your room and messing with the computer at the nurses station again?
Jimmy Thick
Well-Known Member
Here is my theory.
People want to go to Florida the first thing they think of is Disney, or I would be so bold as to think maybe 80% of travelers. With that line of thinking how many stay at a Disney resort? If they are staying at a Disney resort, they are buying tickets.
So to itemize for argument sake:
Florida vacation 7 days 6 nights.
6 nights at Disney resort.
7 days of tickets.
How is Disney losing money if someone goes to Universal for a day or two when they are already staying on property and they have bought tickets for those days as well? If you don't go to the Disney parks, you still bought the tickets. I have never met the person who did not buy more days than they could possibly need because when you get to day 6 or 7 you're spending a couple dollars to add those days. Thats how they hook you and gives you flexibility to go back to Disney parks after you visit other attractions. I know I do this myself. I don't know or can think of a valid reason why people would not.
You can make the same argument for people staying off property as well, its not as concrete as people staying on property, but its completely valid.
Universal's only lifeline in this is having people stay at their resorts instead of Disney, which is asking a lot for the vacation traveler. Of course you will have those that only want to do Universal, but that's an incredibily small segment at this time its really not mentionable. Until Universal can offer a complete all in one vacation, they will be feeding on the scraps Disney gives them, 2 parks, no matter how much Potter is in them, simply just don't cut it.
Jimmy Thick- I could say Universal is on its way when both parks can outdraw MK, until then....Nah.
