I successfully stoped a group of line cutters!!!

[tizzo]

Ohhhhhhh noooo you di'int...you spelleded my name wrong!!!

No offense, but something close to what he wrote is exactly what I reflexively pronounce in my head every time I see your handle. Only because of the way my brain interprets the letters mind you, not because of any judgments I've made. Your posts generally lead me to the conclusion that you're a pretty sharp guy of indeterminate color .

 

[talfonso]

If you didn't know already, there are a lot of tour groups at WDW right now and I made it a point to stop line cutting. I was in line for Everest on Thursday and a group of 2 girls and 2 boys were going up to meet their friends who were in the tea farm area of the queu. Well, I politely told them that they had to wait in line like everyone else. Again, they told me they wanted to meet their friends who were "up there." I told them again, and the second time other guests in line began to notice. Again, they pointed to their friends. I told them they could wait behind me, but if they wanted to ride with their friends they could have their friends come back in the line and queu up with them.

By now, everyone in line was on my side and the 4 were not going anywhere. Score one for the non tour groups!!!!

Personally, I don't see why WDW can not post a sign at the beginning of each queu saying something like..."Enter the quee with your entire party. If your entire party does not enter the queu together, you will not ride the attraction together. Line jumping is not permitted."

Good for you! One of my biggest pet peeves are line-cutters - Brazilian tour group, Argentinean youth herd, large family, or not!

 

[Space Mountain]

I don't call it line jumping if your party is already ahead waiting on line and your trying to get up with them because you were enjoying something else in the park. I call it being smart.

I would like to nominate this for Post of the Year :ROFLOL:



Those of you who think everyone is being "racist", try working at attractions when they enter your queue and truly experience what they are like. It's well beyond line jumping.

 

[AstareGod]

The main difference is that the guest needing assistance waits. The guest's party waits in line (or if they are alone a cast member waits in line for them) for the specific purpose of making sure that they do not get the unfair advantage that is realized by those jumping the line to rejoin member of their party sent ahead as placeholders.

Not necessarily. A Guest Assistance Pass exists where the guest needing assistance and their party can bypass an entire line - usually it acts as a FastPass that is good for any ride, any day, and any time of the day. It really depends on the unique situation for each guest and what guest relations hands out. But I can attest that a pass like this exists because one of my friends/coworkers had a pass like this for one of her family members.

 

[sublimesting]

This just makes me shake my head at your post, I agree line jumping is not permitted, but do we need to put the "brazilian tour group" spin on it. There is not a battle going on in WDW between non tour group v. tour group people

The OP never said BRAZILIAN tour group. You did. And yes, tour groups are a problem usually.

 

[tizzo]

Not necessarily. A Guest Assistance Pass exists where the guest needing assistance and their party can bypass an entire line - usually it acts as a FastPass that is good for any ride, any day, and any time of the day. It really depends on the unique situation for each guest and what guest relations hands out. But I can attest that a pass like this exists because one of my friends/coworkers had a pass like this for one of her family members.

Thanks for the clarification. I'll further clarify that my post was in response to someone else who was trying to equate a GAC of the specific type I described - in which the card holder must wait until someone entering the line when they would have entered has reached the loading area - with the situation in which one or two members of a large group get on line to hold a spot for the rest so that they can ride another attraction, or get something to eat, or whatever.

I was merely pointing out the logical flaw in that specific comparison, which remains unchanged.

 

[AstareGod]

Thanks for the clarification. I'll further clarify that my post was in response to someone else who was trying to equate a GAC of the specific type I described - in which the card holder must wait until someone entering the line when they would have entered has reached the loading area - with the situation in which one or two members of a large group get on line to hold a spot for the rest so that they can ride another attraction, or get something to eat, or whatever.

I was merely pointing out the logical flaw in that specific comparison, which remains unchanged.

Right. Luckily the GACs are limited to only 6 people - plus I couldn't tell you the last time I saw them out and about in the parks. Plus it wouldn't add that much time to your wait anyway. And like FP, it's Disney-sanctioned and it's only in place to accommodate those who need it. Nothing like what this whole thread is about.

 

[EaglesfanNJ]

If you didn't know already, there are a lot of tour groups at WDW right now and I made it a point to stop line cutting. I was in line for Everest on Thursday and a group of 2 girls and 2 boys were going up to meet their friends who were in the tea farm area of the queu. Well, I politely told them that they had to wait in line like everyone else. Again, they told me they wanted to meet their friends who were "up there." I told them again, and the second time other guests in line began to notice. Again, they pointed to their friends. I told them they could wait behind me, but if they wanted to ride with their friends they could have their friends come back in the line and queu up with them.

By now, everyone in line was on my side and the 4 were not going anywhere. Score one for the non tour groups!!!!

Personally, I don't see why WDW can not post a sign at the beginning of each queu saying something like..."Enter the quee with your entire party. If your entire party does not enter the queu together, you will not ride the attraction together. Line jumping is not permitted."[/QUOTE]

I need not get into the Brazilian tour group thing again, we can all agree that some them can be annoying and a nuisance.

In response to what I bolded above......I have to make sure of something.... My wife and I are in line with my daughter, my daughter suddenly needs a diaper change. My wife leaves with my daughter and comes back. According to your very narrow minded, thoughtless, idea above, my wife and daughter must bite the bullet and ride alone, or now i must be forced to move to the back? Or is it only if your Brazilian? Or is only kids? :hammer:

Try spending more time having a good time and less time being the police for kids, you might enjoy your vacation more.

 

[tizzo]

Personally, I don't see why WDW can not post a sign at the beginning of each queu saying something like..."Enter the quee with your entire party. If your entire party does not enter the queu together, you will not ride the attraction together. Line jumping is not permitted."

In response to what I bolded above......I have to make sure of something.... My wife and I are in line with my daughter, my daughter suddenly needs a diaper change. My wife leaves with my daughter and comes back. According to your very narrow minded, thoughtless, idea above, my wife and daughter must bite the bullet and ride alone, or now i must be forced to move to the back?

First,the "narrow minded, thoughtless" idea expressed by the bold passage on the OPs message is in fact the rule. Not only in a theme park attraction queue, but in life in general. Just like you can't stand on a supermarket checkout line while your wife shops and let her join you with her full cart after several people have queued up behind you.

Second, no your wife and daughter would not have to ride alone because the behavior you describe does not violate what the sign says. You all entered the queue together, and you can all ride together, even if your wife has to temporarily leave and then return to the line (provided she returns before you actually board the ride, of course). It happens all the time, and cast members are often involved, EG opening a chain to let someone out and then back in again.

The prohibited behavior, in which one or two people get on line and hold a place for several more who come along later, is what the proposed sign bans. And as I said, it's already prohibited, just not posted or generally enforced, although it is enforced on occasion. I do from time to time see cast members send people trying to catch up with their group to the back of the line.

 

[snowpony]

I have a Mexican friend who used to drive across the border pretty often. Going into Mexico from San Diego was fine, but coming back you would wait sometimes hours in line in your car to cross back in. She was telling me that cars often inch up and try to switch into another lane even though there's a tiny space in-between cars. To prevent that, you almost have to be bumper-to-bumper with the car in front of you to prevent another car from jumping into your lane.

After hearing that, I applied it to whenever I'm in line for something....just ride the person's "bumper" in front of you....super-close, but not touching! It has worked at ski resorts, amusement parks, etc. If you have more than one person in line with you, make sure you stand side-by-side and fill up the space so that the whole "lane" is blocked and people can't sneak or inch in. Works every time!


And anyone who tries to cut in front of me or DBF, we'll tell you nicely to wait in line like everyone else....or risk having the "beast" come out of us!

 

[EaglesfanNJ]

First,the "narrow minded, thoughtless" idea expressed by the bold passage on the OPs message is in fact the rule. Not only in a theme park attraction queue, but in life in general. Just like you can't stand on a supermarket checkout line while your wife shops and let her join you with her full cart after several people have queued up behind you.

Second, no your wife and daughter would not have to ride alone because the behavior you describe does not violate what the sign says. You all entered the queue together, and you can all ride together, even if your wife has to temporarily leave and then return to the line (provided she returns before you actually board the ride, of course). It happens all the time, and cast members are often involved, EG opening a chain to let someone out and then back in again.

The prohibited behavior, in which one or two people get on line and hold a place for several more who come along later, is what the proposed sign bans. And as I said, it's already prohibited, just not posted or generally enforced, although it is enforced on occasion. I do from time to time see cast members send people trying to catch up with their group to the back of the line.

I certainly stand corrected than, and thank you for the clarification, i can admit when i'm wrong, that's for sure. I have to chalk it up to me reading the OP's idea either wrong, or reading too much into it.

I think more than anything, I thought it would be too hard to police i guess, therefore creating problems for some to get back in line (ie my wife and daughter getting back). I mean, is the proposition to have a CM stand at the entrance to the queue and ask each person whether they are joining a party or did they leave the queue and come back? Everyone could easily just say they left the queue for a second.

 

[LoriMistress]

There's a system that Magic Mountain (Six Flags), where they hand you number tickets. If you're outta sequence, they'll kick you out of the park for line cutting. We've seen people escorted because of this.

 

[tizzo]

I certainly stand corrected than, and thank you for the clarification, i can admit when i'm wrong, that's for sure. I have to chalk it up to me reading the OP's idea either wrong, or reading too much into it.

I think more than anything, I thought it would be too hard to police i guess, therefore creating problems for some to get back in line (ie my wife and daughter getting back). I mean, is the proposition to have a CM stand at the entrance to the queue and ask each person whether they are joining a party or did they leave the queue and come back? Everyone could easily just say they left the queue for a second.

Yeah, it's almost impossible to police. I guess that's why you hardly ever see it enforced. I don't know what (if any) rationale is used to decide when to intervene or not. Maybe they only step in if they see the same group doing it repeatedly, or if they see someone getting upset, or maybe only if the cast member himself is in a bad mood.

While I understand where tampabrad was coming from, I honestly don't think his sign would be effective, because I think the sentiment that it expresses is fairly obvious on it's face, and that those who violate it already know it's wrong. (Although one person on this thread has actually described those who line-jump as just "being smart", so maybe a sign would be helpful.)

Anyway, I can certainly see how you might get defensive, especially if you read this entire thread, since there are those here who equated your scenario with line jumping (even though they were trying to justify the line jumping, not condemn what you were talking about).

 

[Wishes 1971]

"My wife and I are in line with my daughter, my daughter suddenly needs a diaper change. My wife leaves with my daughter and comes back."

Or....you could do what I witnessed a few weeks back while in line for HM....A mother and grandmother sent one child ahead and proceeded to change a toddler's diaper on the fence overlooking the river!!!!! And yes....they then moved past everyone to catch up with the other child.

Nothing wrong with catching up....but not sure they needed to change the diaper int he queue!!!!

 

[Ralphlaw]

What a racist thread.

Brazilians are a separate racial group?

Line-cutting is wrong, and it shouldn't be tolerated, whatever "race" or ethnic origin is doing it. Culture, rightly or wrongly, causes stereotypes. The Brazilian groups have never bothered me personally, but so many people observing such behavior can't be all racists or all wrong. Certain cultures are known to dress more formally. Others are pickier eaters. Some would never dream of splitting up the family to explore in smaller groups. Some, like the Brazilian tour groups, have been reported time and time again to be obnoxious. It's not "racist" to observe this.

I theorize that this behavior may be the result of wimpy adults being willing to tolerate such chaos, or a sense of rowdy entitlement from those teenagers whose families are wealthy enough to afford this trip. I don't care why, but it is a concern that Disney seems unable to take charge of in this situation, whether it's Brazilians, Italians, Japanese, or North Dakotans. It's not racist, or harmful stereotyping, UNLESS Brazilian groups are automatically treated differently. Then, there's a problem, but observing such behavior is NOT racism. Please, don't be so quick in playing the "Racist" reflex.

Otherwise, thank you for being bold in stopping the line-cutting where Disney seems powerless to act. Vigilante line-cutting-stoppers are a valuable asset.

 

[LoriMistress]

Brazilians are a separate racial group?

Line-cutting is wrong, and it shouldn't be tolerated, whatever "race" or ethnic origin is doing it. Culture, rightly or wrongly, causes stereotypes. The Brazilian groups have never bothered me personally, but so many people observing such behavior can't be all racists or all wrong. Certain cultures are known to dress more formally. Others are pickier eaters. Some would never dream of splitting up the family to explore in smaller groups. Some, like the Brazilian tour groups, have been reported time and time again to be obnoxious. It's not "racist" to observe this.

I theorize that this behavior may be the result of wimpy adults being willing to tolerate such chaos, or a sense of rowdy entitlement from those teenagers whose families are wealthy enough to afford this trip. I don't care why, but it is a concern that Disney seems unable to take charge of in this situation, whether it's Brazilians, Italians, Japanese, or North Dakotans. It's not racist, or harmful stereotyping, UNLESS Brazilian groups are automatically treated differently. Then, there's a problem, but observing such behavior is NOT racism. Please, don't be so quick in playing the "Racist" reflex.

Otherwise, thank you for being bold in stopping the line-cutting where Disney seems powerless to act. Vigilante line-cutting-stoppers are a valuable asset.

Oooo...this is gettin' good!

 

[tizzo]

I have a Mexican friend who used to drive across the border pretty often.

"Well snowpony, then you are prejudiced, because you think of her as your Mexican friend, and not just your friend".

Sorry, couldn't resist. I wonder how many are old enough to get the reference.

 

[snowpony]

:ROFLOL:

I had to mention that because it seems the "riding the bumper" idea (also known as "driving Tijuana style") is the little secret people from Mexico seem to know when waiting to get back into the U.S.. Others don't, and that's why cars cut in front of them even in the tiniest gaps.

I haven't experienced the Brazilians at WDW with their chanting, but it could be worse. You could wind up with South Africans at WDW with their vuvuzelas.

"Well snowpony, then you are prejudiced, because you think of her as your Mexican friend, and not just your friend".

Sorry, couldn't resist. I wonder how many are old enough to get the reference.

 

[GenerationX]

Of course! It was the line cutters. They left the line because they had to take a p, so they took the extra one from "stopped" before returning to the queuing area. Mystery solved.

 

[wdwfanatic4yrs]

This just makes me shake my head at your post, I agree line jumping is not permitted, but do we need to put the "brazilian tour group" spin on it. There is not a battle going on in WDW between non tour group v. tour group people

after reading this thread it makes me realize that you are just one of those people that likes to make a huge deal out of nothing. people like you are exactly why this site isn't any fun anymore. all you wanna do is look to start trouble. instead of having a normal conversation about something, you sit and look for things to argue about.