Married5Times
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top 3 wisest plans ever stated on this site, EVER.
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top 3 wisest plans ever stated on this site, EVER.
MickeyLuv'r
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I have long felt this way. Not just about the expenses of the WDW vacation, but also things like hotel room design. Some of the new hotel room remodels are better, some are worse. Adding shaving mirrors to Pop Century is great. Just, IMO, every hotel room should have a shaving mirror. It is a very low-cost amenity for WDW, but it is of high value to customers.
A trend I notice is that many hotel rooms LOOK nice, not just WDW, but there is no place to actually put stuff when you come in the room, except the bed. Whenever real people come back to a hotel room, they have stuff. Stuff they need to put down: jackets, purses, phones, shopping bags, backpacks, drinks, food, etc. It is nice when a hotel room has lots of desk/counter space.
My ideal hotel room would have:
plenty of decorative wall hooks
easy to find electric outlets
places to hang damp towels/swimsuits
a small shelf in the shower
counter space for toothbrushes, hairbrushes, etc.
I think if room designers had to actually use their designs, they'd be more practical and not just aesthetically attractive. A hotel room can be both attractive and functional.
Home2Suites has locations all over the USA includes free hot breakfast buffet. You would be satisfied with the room offerings .
MickeyLuv'r
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I have stayed a few, and they are pretty nice rooms!
The new one near WDW at Flamingo Crossings is brand new and quite nice. The only element I'd slightly improve was the pool, and even then, it is a nicer pool than many hotels, because it has a slide. Oh, and it could use a few more plants, but that will improve with time, as their plants grow. That little area (FC) is kinda nice right now. Nothing too terribly exciting, but it is brand new, and an easy entrance into WDW. (Shh!)
I'm also a fan of newer Residence Inns. I have not seen the very new one at Flamingo Crossings, but there's a nice one over by Universal. It opened before the pandemic, but it is still pretty new. The rooms are fabulous! I love little details, like the television rotates! So guests can easily watch it from the bed, OR the couch, or even the kitchen. I don't watch much tv on vacation, but that's brilliant!
MickeyLuv'r
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One more tidbit...if you think we're unhappy with WDW, take a peak at the newer Tripadvisor reviews. Wow! With so many years of reviews, WDW's rating is still pretty high, but the recent reviews are all pretty abysmal.
NickMaio
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Just read the reviews on MK......wowzers.
Not fun at the parks right now.
Minnesota disney fan
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Nick, it's difficult to actually find the reviews. I've tried several different ways but it never goes there. Do you know what exactly to request on TA to get WDW reviews? Thanks
G00fyDad
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Nick, it's difficult to actually find the reviews. I've tried several different ways but it never goes there. Do you know what exactly to request on TA to get WDW reviews? Thanks
Walt Disney World Resort (Orlando) - All You Need to Know BEFORE You Go
www.tripadvisor.com
Minnesota disney fan
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Thank you GoofyDad! I will check these out for some "light" reading, LOL. Even though it is not funny, at least for disney'Walt Disney World Resort (Orlando) - All You Need to Know BEFORE You Go
NickMaio
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Type in Magic Kingdom.....or any other park.Nick, it's difficult to actually find the reviews. I've tried several different ways but it never goes there. Do you know what exactly to request on TA to get WDW reviews? Thanks
I also just started a thread with a link to the reviews for MK from TA.
It's not good, getting the truth on what it's really like there from many people.
lindawdw
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I've been going to WDW since 1975 so I've seen many changes over the years but what they have done to the Disney Parks since re-opening after COVID is truly a sin! I read the Trip Advisor reviews which describe in detail the demise of our beloved WDW unless they start addressing the issues that their fans are complaining about! The parks are filthy which makes me angry and sad knowing that Walt was so proud of the fact that his parks would shine each and every day! The Genie+ is a total disaster and it's one thing to start charging for a service that was free for so many years but then for it to not work properly is a scam. The rides themselves are old and not serviced properly so they constantly are breaking down. The Cast Members don't seem to have that same love of their job and pride that they worked for Disney which makes me think that they no longer go through the "traditions" classes upon employment. The transportation issues are a constant. The crowds and unbearable each and every day at the parks. The mobile food ordering is a disaster and just adds to the stress of the park experience when the dining experience used to be that you got to use that time to decompress and relax before heading back to the lines. I hope everyone takes the time to write a trip advisor review for their WDW vacation because I would think that the powers that be at Disney receive feedback from the reviews at that site! I use Trip Advisor for all my vacations.
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CaptainAmerica
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Disney hasn't built a new non-DVC resort in over 10 years.
eliza61nyc
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well I hate to break up this fun fest. Just booked an impromptu girls trip for 6/1. 
Lol I never did follow the crowd.
Lol I never did follow the crowd.
NickMaio
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We don't hate the players.....only the game.well I hate to break up this fun fest. Just booked an impromptu girls trip for 6/1.
Lol I never did follow the crowd.
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Have a fun and safe trip.
Pepper's Ghost
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I don't think I saw the point I'm about to express, and it likely won't be very popular, but raising prices exorbitantly is the only way to equalize supply and demand. Demand is WAY too high at every park, all year 'round. It's a fact that's proven by all the posts on these forums about 2hr and 3hr standby lines for all rides. I personally think the PF/LL/whatever-other-skip-the-line mechanism adds to this problem, but simply put demand is just way too high. Seems like everyone is going every year now, instead of once every few years like it used to be back in the day. There's too much money out there the last 13+ years.
You can't complain about price, and then in another thread complain about lines and overcrowding. "Low" prices for a desired product results in huge demand and massive crowds. Think about Cabbage Patch Dolls, and Beanie Babies. Obviously those are different products, but bare with me. A $5 Beanie Baby that everyone wants (and they don't even know why) results in lines outside doors, people fighting, etc. If you make that Beanie Baby $100, now you've controlled demand substantially, and still make lots of money. Supply and demand. So, TWDC is jacking up prices during the swell of demand, and taking advantage of increased profit margins. If the crowds still come, the prices keep going up until supply and demand equalize. Pandemic not withstanding, my bet is they actually want to have fewer people on property and will continue to jack up prices until that happens.
Don't get me wrong, adding another park or 2 would help reduce crowds, but you're talking many years and billions spent. You have to think about this at a macro level. The easier solution for TWDC is to raise prices substantially, cut costs/services, and watch the initial spike in profits which will eventually come back to earth as crowds thin out. Once crowds thin out and prices have stabilized at higher rates, you then go back and try to lure the crowds back with expansion, improvements, etc., but by this time you've been swimming in cash and prices again have stabilized at a much higher level. It's how many business expand quickly. Don't forget the almighty stockholders are happier than pigs in $#it. I suggest buying stock actually, if you can.
I'm not saying I like all of the above, but it just makes business sense to do what they're doing. I just wish they wouldn't try to hide by nickle and diming. Just jack the overall price of a ticket to $350/day per person and have everything included, or whatever. Factoring in all these little charges will fool a bunch of people to go and then they'll be ed afterwards when they see their credit card bill. To me that's burning bridges. Just jack up the prices, get rid of all the cloak and dagger, and equalize supply and demand. Then use some of that extra cash generated to add parks, attractions, etc.
The problem that us huge fans have is that everyone is having kids, who are having kids, and having kids, etc. That's lots of people over 50 years who are dying to bring their kids to WDW. Demand is way too high. Either everyone will be miserable in long lines and overcrowding, or TWDC has to make their parks a little more exclusive. It's not fair, but what else can they do that makes business sense? If every family that used to go every year cuts back and goes once every 2 or 3 years because of the increased cost, that results in smaller crowds, and still huge profits for them. If they're not careful, they'll completely turn off the general public, but that's when they start providing coupons and packages. If they're REALLY lucky, all the prices have been jacked up and the crowds DON'T dwindle. Can you imagine the margins if demand doesn't go down at all after increasing prices substantially? Very, very happy stockholders if that happens.
Just my humble opinion though...
You can't complain about price, and then in another thread complain about lines and overcrowding. "Low" prices for a desired product results in huge demand and massive crowds. Think about Cabbage Patch Dolls, and Beanie Babies. Obviously those are different products, but bare with me. A $5 Beanie Baby that everyone wants (and they don't even know why) results in lines outside doors, people fighting, etc. If you make that Beanie Baby $100, now you've controlled demand substantially, and still make lots of money. Supply and demand. So, TWDC is jacking up prices during the swell of demand, and taking advantage of increased profit margins. If the crowds still come, the prices keep going up until supply and demand equalize. Pandemic not withstanding, my bet is they actually want to have fewer people on property and will continue to jack up prices until that happens.
Don't get me wrong, adding another park or 2 would help reduce crowds, but you're talking many years and billions spent. You have to think about this at a macro level. The easier solution for TWDC is to raise prices substantially, cut costs/services, and watch the initial spike in profits which will eventually come back to earth as crowds thin out. Once crowds thin out and prices have stabilized at higher rates, you then go back and try to lure the crowds back with expansion, improvements, etc., but by this time you've been swimming in cash and prices again have stabilized at a much higher level. It's how many business expand quickly. Don't forget the almighty stockholders are happier than pigs in $#it. I suggest buying stock actually, if you can.
I'm not saying I like all of the above, but it just makes business sense to do what they're doing. I just wish they wouldn't try to hide by nickle and diming. Just jack the overall price of a ticket to $350/day per person and have everything included, or whatever. Factoring in all these little charges will fool a bunch of people to go and then they'll be ed afterwards when they see their credit card bill. To me that's burning bridges. Just jack up the prices, get rid of all the cloak and dagger, and equalize supply and demand. Then use some of that extra cash generated to add parks, attractions, etc.
The problem that us huge fans have is that everyone is having kids, who are having kids, and having kids, etc. That's lots of people over 50 years who are dying to bring their kids to WDW. Demand is way too high. Either everyone will be miserable in long lines and overcrowding, or TWDC has to make their parks a little more exclusive. It's not fair, but what else can they do that makes business sense? If every family that used to go every year cuts back and goes once every 2 or 3 years because of the increased cost, that results in smaller crowds, and still huge profits for them. If they're not careful, they'll completely turn off the general public, but that's when they start providing coupons and packages. If they're REALLY lucky, all the prices have been jacked up and the crowds DON'T dwindle. Can you imagine the margins if demand doesn't go down at all after increasing prices substantially? Very, very happy stockholders if that happens.
Just my humble opinion though...
AEfx
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Therein lies the problem.
Out of the spendy Star Wars fanatics who spend this kind of money on Star Wars products, only a small portion of those people are going to be excited about an "experience" that culminates in an epic battle between...Rey and Kylo Ren.
If the promotional material showed Darth Vader showing up and lighting his saber...that would be a different story.
DCL keeping busy building ( Wish scheduled for 2022, two more unnamed ships to follow ) at approx $1B each. Perhaps money diverted to other projects?
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And how many of the ones who do go will repeat the visit?
Goofyernmost
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Depends on how deep their pockets are!
I somewhat agree, and for years have thought a higher ticket price could = a better experience. I can't stand long lines and the overcrowding that the parks have become know for. I didn't expect to get both increased prices and reduced benefits, though.
It is true there are many people that will pay, but I will make a bold prediction on a couple fronts.
1. People like our family, which can afford to go, will opt to do "other things." We already have. We may goto WDW with grandparents if they choose to go, but these dollars go soooo much further in other places.
2. People that experience the parks for the first time right now will not have the same magical experience that most of us had. They are going to be more pragmatic about the thousands spent vs. what they received. They look at us like we are idiots for being so hooked on it. They'll find other things to do.
3. I don't think prices will ever relax, but I do think they will have to add some magic back into the equation. More meet and greets. Parades. Shows. Employee interactions. Mousekeeping. Transportation. I really do think they'll add this back to some degree.
Now for the resort hotel pricing, I don't even know where to begin. We are DVC, and I don't see how people can afford to stay on site otherwise. It blows my mind. For the price of some 2-3br units, you could afford the Presidential Suite at the 4-seasons, with concierge and butler service.