Hurricane Milton coming to FL

Gringrinngghost

Well-Known Member
Morning all. Expect closures to be announced today. As of last night they were telling departments to prepare "by close of business tomorrow" for the next phase of procedures. They are under the next phase of procedures with the only one next being a shutdown.
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I'm not going to mince words - What a moronic thing to say. "It was only an EF-4 tornado instead of an EF-5, thank goodness". You do realize that a potential reduction of 10mph of wind and 1ft less of storm surge isn't going to mean jack squat for the amount of damage done, right?
It was modeled to become a Cat 5 again, it hasn’t this eye wall replacement cycle is taking longer then expected, When it starts getting sheer the weaker it is, the less severe it will be at landfall. After a day of this thing defying the models and blowing up more then expected it is in fact good news it’s currently weaker then modeling suggests.

I never said it changes what needs to happen but the weaker the storm the less damage.
 

SoFloMagic

Well-Known Member
CM's and the public should have known yesterday what the plan was. Pure incompetence.
Announcing too early could cause you to have guests trapped at the resorts in good weather. Then you have to figure out how to feed them all in one location instead of spread around the resort.

We thought this storm was coming Tuesday night, now NHC says TS strength winds not expected til 8pm thursday (earliest likely arrival publication)
 

Andrew25

Well-Known Member
Storm winds not expected for Disney until late Wednesday early Thursday and may be later if trend continues.
Think about the cast who (depending on where they live in Orlando) can be up to an hour away from their home thanks to how large the Orlando metro area is. Let alone all the rain that starts before the winds pick up, your risking CMs having to traverse flooded roads (let alone gas shortages).

Announcing too early could cause you to have guests trapped at the resorts in good weather. Then you have to figure out how to feed them all in one location instead of spread around the resort.

We thought this storm. W
I sincerely doubt announcing a closure for Wed/Thr on Sunday would convince people to stay in their hotel room after the announcement was made until given the all clear post-storm.

If a strong Cat 4 rolls through Orlando, how sturdy are the larger buildings at Disney (castle, SSE, Tree)
The resort will be fine, minor damage at most with foliage/trees being an issue. I was at WDW the day they reopened after Ian and outside a few fallen bamboo trees, it didn't feel like a Hurricane passed by. Disney does a great job at recovery.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
The issue is that a lot of non-Floridians don't entirely understand how large a hurricane actually is. Everyone loves to focus on the eye, but its effects are large spread, with most of the rain occurring prior to the eye even reaching land. A tourist who arrives in Orlando this week completely understands bad weather is coming, but don't necessarily understand how it'll impact the area even with the eyes 100 miles away.

I lived in Celebration during Ian, and RCID (at the time) was monitoring Reedy Creek (the actual waterway) to make sure it flowing out of WDW property correctly, and it got very high. All of the walkways in the wetlands around Celebration were closed off for quite a while as it completely flooded (thankfully no homes suffered flooding damage, but it was quite close).

Hurricane Ian was a Cat 4 when it made landfall in SW Florida, and brought lots of flooding into the Kissimmee/Orlando area... where a good amount of CMs live. Did we not see the images out of Universal and how much flooding they received during Ian? It ripped a hole off the side of the Jurassic Park River Adventure showbuilding.


As for how much money the parks can lose when they close... how much money can they actually generate on a stormy day when flights can't get in with paying tourists and hotels are booked with families from the coast not going to the parks? Who in their right mind, outside a few non-locals, is interested in visiting the parks when rain is expected to fall for 2-3 days continuously? Not enough to generate a significant profit.
Flooding is a concern since a report a few years stating 90% of FL homeowners don’t purchase flood insurance. If the water floods into their house it’s on their dime to make the big money repairs.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Think about the cast who (depending on where they live in Orlando) can be up to an hour away from their home thanks to how large the Orlando metro area is. Let alone all the rain that starts before the winds pick up, your risking CMs having to traverse flooded roads (let alone gas shortages).


I sincerely doubt announcing a closure for Wed/Thr on Sunday would convince people to stay in their hotel room after the announcement was made until given the all clear post-storm.


The resort will be fine, minor damage at most with foliage/trees being an issue. I was at WDW the day they reopened after Ian and outside a few fallen bamboo trees, it didn't feel like a Hurricane passed by. Disney does a great job at recovery.
I was there as well - Ian passed 90 miles south of WDW. Milton is projected to be much closer.

If all the parks don't close by 6pm tomorrow, I don't know what TDO is doing.
 
My mom has a childhood friend in St Petersburg who refuses to leave. I told her to let him know that I would drive up from southeast Florida and get them but he isn’t budging. It’s infuriating listening to him come up with reasons to not go all the whole my mom is terrified that one of her friends is all but killing them self over pride.
They’ve finally listened to reason and are getting out and going east
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
I was there as well - Ian passed 90 miles south of WDW. Milton is projected to be much closer.

If all the parks don't close by 6pm tomorrow, I don't know what TDO is doing.
Ian was no Charley. Ian topped at 74 mph and Charley in 04’ topped at 106 mph damaging parts of Kissimmee and Orlando in the horrific summer of 3 hurricanes in 12 weeks
 

cr3346

Active Member
Not weakening nor is it strengthening right now

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However, looks like the eyewall on the NW side is falling apart a bit

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IanDLBZF

Well-Known Member
Morning all. Expect closures to be announced today. As of last night they were telling departments to prepare "by close of business tomorrow" for the next phase of procedures. They are under the next phase of procedures with the only one next being a shutdown.
That means the WDW EOC is at phase 3 about to move to Phase 2.
 
The issue is that a lot of non-Floridians don't entirely understand how large a hurricane actually is. Everyone loves to focus on the eye, but its effects are large spread, with most of the rain occurring prior to the eye even reaching land. A tourist who arrives in Orlando this week completely understands bad weather is coming, but don't necessarily understand how it'll impact the area even with the eyes 100 miles away.

I lived in Celebration during Ian, and RCID (at the time) was monitoring Reedy Creek (the actual waterway) to make sure it flowing out of WDW property correctly, and it got very high. All of the walkways in the wetlands around Celebration were closed off for quite a while as it completely flooded (thankfully no homes suffered flooding damage, but it was quite close).

Hurricane Ian was a Cat 4 when it made landfall in SW Florida, and brought lots of flooding into the Kissimmee/Orlando area... where a good amount of CMs live. Did we not see the images out of Universal and how much flooding they received during Ian? It ripped a hole off the side of the Jurassic Park River Adventure showbuilding.


As for how much money the parks can lose when they close... how much money can they actually generate on a stormy day when flights can't get in with paying tourists and hotels are booked with families from the coast not going to the parks? Who in their right mind, outside a few non-locals, is interested in visiting the parks when rain is expected to fall for 2-3 days continuously? Not enough to generate a significant profit.
Bingo, Milton is going to affect the entire peninsula, he’s massive, (there’s a Milton Berle joke in here) all of it is either in a hurricane or tropical storm warning, we’re all going to get hit at least partially
 
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Gringrinngghost

Well-Known Member
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BULLETIN
Hurricane Milton Advisory Number  14
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL       AL142024
1000 AM CDT Tue Oct 08 2024

...MILTON FORECAST TO RETAIN MAJOR HURRICANE STATUS AND EXPAND IN
SIZE WHILE IT APPROACHES THE WEST COAST OF FLORIDA...
...TODAY IS THE LAST FULL DAY FOR FLORIDA RESIDENTS TO GET THEIR
FAMILIES AND HOMES READY AND EVACUATE IF TOLD TO DO SO BY LOCAL
OFFICIALS...


SUMMARY OF 1000 AM CDT...1500 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...22.7N 88.4W
ABOUT 130 MI...205 KM NE OF PROGRESO MEXICO
ABOUT 520 MI...835 KM SW OF TAMPA FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...150 MPH...240 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...ENE OR 65 DEGREES AT 9 MPH...15 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...929 MB...27.44 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

The Storm Surge Warning has been extended southward along the
east coast of Florida to Port Canaveral.

The government of the Bahamas has issued a Tropical Storm Watch
for the extreme northwestern Bahamas, including Grand Bahama
Island, the Abacos, and Bimini.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Storm Surge Warning is in effect for...
* West coast of Florida from Flamingo northward to the Suwannee
River, including Charlotte Harbor and Tampa Bay
* East coast of Florida from Port Canaveral northward to the mouth
of the St. Mary's River, including the St. Johns River.

A Hurricane Warning is in effect for...
* Celestun to Rio Lagartos
* Florida west coast from Bonita Beach northward to the mouth of the
Suwannee River, including Tampa Bay
* Florida east coast from the Indian River/St. Lucie County Line
northward to Ponte Vedra Beach

A Storm Surge Watch is in effect for...
* South of Port Canaveral to Sebastian Inlet
* Mouth of the St. Mary's River to Edisto Beach

A Hurricane Watch is in effect for...
* Rio Lagartos to Cabo Catoche
* Dry Tortugas
* Lake Okeechobee
* Florida west coast from Chokoloskee to south of Bonita Beach
* Florida east coast north of Ponte Vedra Beach to the mouth of the
St. Mary's River

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...
* Rio Lagartos to Cancun
* All of the Florida Keys, including Dry Tortugas and Florida Bay
* Lake Okeechobee
* Florida west coast from Flamingo to south of Bonita Beach
* Florida west coast from north of the mouth of the Suwanee River to
Indian Pass
* Florida east coast south of the Indian River/St. Lucie County
Line to Flamingo
* Florida east coast north of Ponte Vedra Beach to the mouth of the
St. Mary's River

A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect for...
* Coast of Georgia and South Carolina from north of the mouth of the
St. Marys River to South Santee River, South Carolina
* Extreme northwestern Bahamas, including Grand Bahama Island,
the Abacos, and Bimini.

A Storm Surge Warning means there is a danger of life-threatening
inundation, from rising water moving inland from the coastline,
during the next 36 hours in the indicated locations. For a
depiction of areas at risk, please see the National Weather
Service Storm Surge Watch/Warning Graphic, available at
hurricanes.gov.  This is a life-threatening situation.  Persons
located within these areas should take all necessary actions to
protect life and property from rising water and the potential for
other dangerous conditions.  Promptly follow evacuation and other
instructions from local officials.

A Hurricane Warning means that hurricane conditions are expected
somewhere within the warning area.  A warning is typically issued
36 hours before the anticipated first occurrence of
tropical-storm-force winds, conditions that make outside
preparations difficult or dangerous.  Preparations to protect life
and property should be rushed to completion.

A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are
expected somewhere within the warning area within 36 hours.

A Storm Surge Watch means there is a possibility of life-
threatening inundation, from rising water moving inland from the
coastline, in the indicated locations during the next 48 hours.
For a depiction of areas at risk, please see the National Weather
Service Storm Surge Watch/Warning Graphic, available at
hurricanes.gov.

A Hurricane Watch means that hurricane conditions are possible
within the watch area.  A watch is typically issued 48 hours
before the anticipated first occurrence of tropical-storm-force
winds, conditions that make outside preparations difficult or
dangerous.

A Tropical Storm Watch means that tropical storm conditions are
possible within the watch area, generally within 48 hours.

For storm information specific to your area in the United
States, including possible inland watches and warnings, please
monitor products issued by your local National Weather Service
forecast office. For storm information specific to your area
outside of the United States, please monitor products issued by
your national meteorological service.


DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
----------------------
At 1000 AM CDT (1500 UTC), the center of Hurricane Milton was
located near latitude 22.7 North, longitude 88.4 West.  Milton is
moving toward the east-northeast near 9 mph (15 km/h).  A turn
toward the northeast with an increase in forward speed is expected
to begin later today and continue through Thursday.  On the
forecast track, the center of Milton will move across the eastern
Gulf of Mexico and approach the west-central coast of Florida
through Wednesday.  The center is likely to make landfall along the
west-central coast of Florida on Wednesday night, and move
east-northeastward across central Florida through Thursday.

Maximum sustained winds are near 150 mph (240 km/h) with higher
gusts.  Milton is a category 4 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson
Hurricane Wind Scale.  While fluctuations in intensity are expected,
Milton is forecast to remain an extremely dangerous hurricane
through landfall in Florida.

Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 30 miles (45 km) from the
center and tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 105 miles
(165 km).

The minimum central pressure based on dropsonde data is 929 mb
(27.44 inches).


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
Key Messages for Milton can be found in the Tropical Cyclone
Discussion under AWIPS header MIATCDAT4 and WMO header WTNT44 KNHC
and on the web at hurricanes.gov/text/MIATCDAT4.shtml

STORM SURGE:  A storm surge will raise water levels by as much as 2
to 4 feet above ground level along the northern coast of the
Yucatan Peninsula in areas of onshore winds.  Near the coast, the
surge will be accompanied by large and destructive waves.

The combination of a dangerous storm surge and the tide will cause
normally dry areas near the coast to be flooded by rising waters
moving inland from the shoreline.  The water could reach the
following heights above ground somewhere in the indicated areas if
the peak surge occurs at the time of high tide...

Anclote River, FL to Englewood, FL...10-15 ft
Tampa Bay...10-15 ft
Englewood, FL to Bonita Beach, FL...6-10 ft
Charlotte Harbor...6-10 ft
Yankeetown, FL to Anclote River, FL...5-10 ft
Bonita Beach, FL to Chokoloskee, FL...4-7 ft
Suwannee River, FL to Yankeetown, FL...3-5 ft
Chokoloskee, FL to Flamingo, FL...3-5 ft
Port Canaveral, FL to Altamaha Sound, GA...3-5 ft

The deepest water will occur along the immediate coast near and to
the south of the landfall location, where the surge will be
accompanied by large and dangerous waves.  Surge-related flooding
depends on the relative timing of the surge and the tidal cycle,
and can vary greatly over short distances.  For information
specific to your area, please see products issued by your local
National Weather Service forecast office.

For a complete depiction of areas at risk of storm surge
inundation, please see the National Weather Service Peak Storm
Surge Graphic, available at
hurricanes.gov/graphics_at4.shtml?peakSurge.

RAINFALL: Rainfall amounts of 5 to 12 inches, with localized totals
up to 18 inches, are expected across central to northern portions of
the Florida Peninsula through Thursday.  This rainfall brings the
risk of life-threatening flash and urban flooding, along with
moderate to major river flooding.

Milton will also produce rainfall totals 2 to 4 inches across the
Florida Keys through Thursday.

Additional rainfall amounts of 2 to 4 inches, with isolated totals
around 6 inches, are expected across northern portions of the
Yucatan Peninsula.

For a complete depiction of forecast rainfall associated with
Hurricane Milton, please see the National Weather Service Storm
Total Rainfall Graphic, available at
hurricanes.gov/graphics_at4.shtml?rainqpf and the Flash Flood Risk
graphic at hurricanes.gov/graphics_at4.shtml?ero.

WIND:  Hurricane and tropical storm conditions will continue in the
warning areas in Mexico today.

Hurricane conditions are expected in the hurricane warning area
across Florida beginning late Wednesday through early Thursday.
Tropical storm conditions are expected to begin in the warning area
on the west coast of Florida Wednesday morning, spreading across
the peninsula and reaching the east coast Wednesday evening.

Tropical storm conditions are possible within the watch area
on the Georgia and South Carolina coasts on Thursday.

Tropical storm conditions are possible in the extreme northwestern
Bahamas on Thursday.

TORNADOES: A few tornadoes are possible over central and southern
Florida beginning late tonight and continuing through Wednesday
night.

SURF:  Swells generated by Milton are expected to continue to
affect much of the Gulf Coast within the next day or two, and are
likely to cause life-threatening surf and rip current conditions.
Please consult products from your local weather office.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
Next intermediate advisory at 100 PM CDT.
Next complete advisory at 400 PM CDT.

$$
Forecaster Berg

NNNN
 

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