Hurricane Milton coming to FL

Sans Souci

Well-Known Member
My brother lives in Cape Coral and he was displaced for months and living in a hotel for months after Ian hit. He is evacuating to a Disney Springs hotel tomorrow. I texted him yesterday, asking about his plans. While waiting for him to respond, I was looking to reserve a room for him in Orlando, but I was unsuccessful. Luckily, he was on top of it and had a room booked already. 👍
 

Gringrinngghost

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In which ways?
This just came across my desk. Mind you this is one data point.

Code:
Product: NOAA Vortex Message (URNT12 KWBC)
Transmitted: 7th day of the month at 10:42Z
Agency: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
Aircraft: Lockheed WP-3D Orion (Reg. Num. N43RF)
Storm Name: Milton
Storm Number & Year: 14 in 2024 (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 7
Observation Number: 03

A. Time of Center Fix: 7th day of the month at 10:21:47Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 21.88N 92.45W
B. Center Fix Location: 188 statute miles (303 km) to the NW (319°) from Campeche, Campeche, Mexico.
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: 2,710m (8,891ft) at 700mb
D. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 955mb (28.20 inHg)
E. Dropsonde Surface Wind at Center: From 200° at 12kts (From the SSW at 14mph)
F. Eye Character: Closed
G. Eye Shape & Diameter: Circular with a diameter of 15 nautical miles (17 statute miles)
H. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind Inbound: Not Available
I. Location & Time of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind Inbound (Undecoded): NA
J. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 84° at 100kts (From the E at 115.1mph)
K. Location & Time of the Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 10 nautical miles (12 statute miles) to the N (0°) of center fix at 10:19:34Z
L. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind Outbound: Not Available
M. Location & Time of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind Outbound (Undecoded): NA
N. Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: From 278° at 110kts (From the W at 126.6mph)
O. Location & Time of the Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: 11 nautical miles (13 statute miles) to the S (185°) of center fix at 10:24:40Z
P. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 12°C (54°F) at a pressure alt. of 3,061m (10,043ft)
Q. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 18°C (64°F) at a pressure alt. of 3,062m (10,046ft)
R. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 10°C (50°F)
R. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
S. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Pressure and Temperature
S. Fix Level: 700mb
T. Navigational Fix Accuracy: 0.01 nautical miles
T. Meteorological Accuracy: 1 nautical mile

Remarks Section:

Maximum Flight Level Wind: 110kts (~ 126.6mph) which was observed 11 nautical miles (13 statute miles) to the S (185°) from the flight level center at 10:24:40Z
General Note About Vortex Messages:
- SFMR and flight level winds are usually averaged over a 10 second period. (The National Hurricane Center's advisory wind speeds are the highest expected winds averaged over a 1 minute period.)
 

John park hopper

Well-Known Member
This just came across my desk. Mind you this is one data point.

Code:
Product: NOAA Vortex Message (URNT12 KWBC)
Transmitted: 7th day of the month at 10:42Z
Agency: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
Aircraft: Lockheed WP-3D Orion (Reg. Num. N43RF)
Storm Name: Milton
Storm Number & Year: 14 in 2024 (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 7
Observation Number: 03

A. Time of Center Fix: 7th day of the month at 10:21:47Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 21.88N 92.45W
B. Center Fix Location: 188 statute miles (303 km) to the NW (319°) from Campeche, Campeche, Mexico.
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: 2,710m (8,891ft) at 700mb
D. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 955mb (28.20 inHg)
E. Dropsonde Surface Wind at Center: From 200° at 12kts (From the SSW at 14mph)
F. Eye Character: Closed
G. Eye Shape & Diameter: Circular with a diameter of 15 nautical miles (17 statute miles)
H. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind Inbound: Not Available
I. Location & Time of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind Inbound (Undecoded): NA
J. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 84° at 100kts (From the E at 115.1mph)
K. Location & Time of the Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 10 nautical miles (12 statute miles) to the N (0°) of center fix at 10:19:34Z
L. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind Outbound: Not Available
M. Location & Time of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind Outbound (Undecoded): NA
N. Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: From 278° at 110kts (From the W at 126.6mph)
O. Location & Time of the Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: 11 nautical miles (13 statute miles) to the S (185°) of center fix at 10:24:40Z
P. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 12°C (54°F) at a pressure alt. of 3,061m (10,043ft)
Q. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 18°C (64°F) at a pressure alt. of 3,062m (10,046ft)
R. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 10°C (50°F)
R. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
S. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Pressure and Temperature
S. Fix Level: 700mb
T. Navigational Fix Accuracy: 0.01 nautical miles
T. Meteorological Accuracy: 1 nautical mile

Remarks Section:

Maximum Flight Level Wind: 110kts (~ 126.6mph) which was observed 11 nautical miles (13 statute miles) to the S (185°) from the flight level center at 10:24:40Z
General Note About Vortex Messages:
- SFMR and flight level winds are usually averaged over a 10 second period. (The National Hurricane Center's advisory wind speeds are the highest expected winds averaged over a 1 minute period.)
Okay for us laymen what does all this data mean?
 

JMcMahonEsq

Well-Known Member
When we were in the parks in 2004 I didn’t see one fellow guest with a battery powered radio but your opinions made me chuckle.
I was in the the park in 2004 and didn’t see anyone with toothbrushes or luggage in the parks either, but I am prettY sure they had them. Are you seriously so obtuse to think if you don’t see people with things in park they don’t have them
 

Gringrinngghost

Well-Known Member
Code:
000
WTNT64 KNHC 071100
TCUAT4

Hurricane Milton Tropical Cyclone Update
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL       AL142024
600 AM CDT Mon Oct 07 2024

...NOAA HURRICANE HUNTERS FIND MILTON A MAJOR HURRICANE...

Data from a NOAA Hurricane Hunter aicraft indicate that Milton has
strengthened to a major hurricane.  The maximum sustained winds are
estimated to be 120 mph (195 km/h).  Milton is a category three
hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale.  Data from
the aircraft also indicate that the minimum pressure has fallen to
954 mb (28.17 inches).

A special advisory will be issued by 7 AM CDT (1200 UTC) to reflect
this change and update the forecast.


SUMMARY OF 600 AM CDT...1100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...21.9N 92.4W
ABOUT 180 MI...285 KM WNW OF PROGRESO MEXICO
ABOUT 750 MI...1210 KM WSW OF TAMPA FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...120 MPH...195 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...ESE OR 105 DEGREES AT 8 MPH...13 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...954 MB...28.17 INCHES

$$
Forecaster Brown/Blake
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
I was in the the park in 2004 and didn’t see anyone with toothbrushes or luggage in the parks either, but I am prettY sure they had them. Are you seriously so obtuse to think if you don’t see people with things in park they don’t have them
Keep trying to defend on guests having battery powered radios in the parks in 04’
 

Gringrinngghost

Well-Known Member
Okay for us laymen what does all this data mean?
Hurricane Hunters found that between the 5am EDT update to the time that I posted that message at roughly 7:00am that the storm is undergoing RAPID intensification.

The Key take aways: The pressure is in that message is that Hunters found 955mb for pressure, and 126.6mph winds.

Here is a great deep dive on these messages: https://learningweather.psu.edu/node/66
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
Closed eyewall = rapid intensification is likely
126mph winds = Cat 3
Despite expected weakening/dry air, this will still be a major event.
Is that 126 mph Cat 3 over Orlando / Kissimmee or approaching Tampa St Pete at 126 mph ? Charley had winds of 106mph in 04’ that destroyed a number of homes and a few neighborhoods in Orlando / Kissimmee in 04’.
 

Gringrinngghost

Well-Known Member
Is that 126 mph Cat 3 over Orlando / Kissimmee or approaching Tampa St Pete at 126 mph ?
Currently found winds.

Code:
N. Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: From 278° at 110kts (From the W at 126.6mph)

N. MAXIMUM OUTBOUND FLIGHT-LEVEL WIND SPEED AND DIRECTION

The highest wind speed in knots (and its direction) observed while flying outbound from the storm's center. These winds are at flight level, and were measured directly by the aircraft's instruments. In the example, the peak wind was 33 degrees at 108 knots, which means the wind was blowing from a direction of 33 degrees (northeast) at a speed of 108 kts (about 124 miles per hour).

Taken from: https://learningweather.psu.edu/node/66
 

John park hopper

Well-Known Member
I assume this does not bode well for the west coast of FL- wind and storm surge and Orlando will be seeing a powerful storm. Sister in law and brother in law live in Ocoee near lake Opopka eastern side
 

Gringrinngghost

Well-Known Member
I assume this does not bode well for the west coast of FL- wind and storm surge and Orlando will be seeing a powerful storm. Sister in law and brother in law live in Oboe near lake Opalaka
Its going to be dependent on the wind sheer when it starts to get that. As I told someone yesterday: "This system is due to warm ocean temperatures, no storms in the gulf which cause upwelling (the process by which wind-driven ocean currents move cold, nutrient-rich water from the ocean depths to the surface) and a lack of wind shear. The perfect ingredients."
 
Is that 126 mph Cat 3 over Orlando / Kissimmee or approaching Tampa St Pete at 126 mph ? Charley had winds of 106mph in 04’ that destroyed a number of homes and a few neighborhoods in Orlando / Kissimmee in 04’.
There is no way to know right now. These numbers are just what was observed during the most recent fly through this morning. There are still 2-3 days of development left before landfall. The problem right now would be it is strengthening (maybe) faster than expected and, as I stated, there is potential for some minor weakening just before landfall, if this thing cranks up to a Cat 5 within the next day or 2, any weakening won't be enough to prevent this from being catastrophic.
 
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