How WDW Co. spins ...

[ford91exploder]

Yup.......
The only real upside to a Shanghai failure would be that the stockholders would hold Iger, et al, responsible, as they surely would be.
Disney is banking on the 300,000,000 Chinese, that live close enough to the park to get there easily, to be the main income flow. (AKA Cash Cows)
That, however depends on how much discretionary yuan those people have and if they're inclined to spend it on "Western" entertainment.
My guess is that the younger people will do that but the older ones who've lived under Government oppression for most of their lives will visit once, maybe.

I suspect Disney is on the hook for operating losses at SDL, The CCP played Iger's greed and desire for a 'Legacy' like a violin.

 

[Rutt]

Yup.......
The only real upside to a Shanghai failure would be that the stockholders would hold Iger, et al, responsible, as they surely would be.
Disney is banking on the 300,000,000 Chinese, that live close enough to the park to get there easily, to be the main income flow. (AKA Cash Cows)
That, however depends on how much discretionary yuan those people have and if they're inclined to spend it on "Western" entertainment.
My guess is that the younger people will do that but the older ones who've lived under Government oppression for most of their lives will visit once, maybe.

I have a feeling you're right. And yes, they will hold the current stooges responsible, but at the same time, they will absolutely neuter any magic left in the parks to get every last penny possible. I could see it getting so bad they'd make cable providers look generous.....

Um, never thought of that! I wonder though, if they will really keep the attendance down for that event? It seems like a lot of people on these threads think it will go the way of the Christmas/Halloween parties. That is, they start off with a low number, then gradually increase it so it is crowded. I hope not. I don't think the people who pay for this "event" will be happy that the regular hours guests will be allowed to stay and wander the park, shopping, etc. I read that this will be allowed, but that they will not be allowed to ride the rides. Maybe this will all work out in the end. I, for one, will not be going to it at that price, just not worth it to me. If I only had one day and wanted to go to the MK, I would still just buy a regular ticket at this point.

Im not sure they'd ever go the way of the parties with it. I do however see the parties going the way of this. $200 MVMCP tickets anyone?

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

Bad comparison. This event will not have anywhere near the attendance that the holiday parties have. You are talking about nearly 1/10 as many guests.

Um, never thought of that! I wonder though, if they will really keep the attendance down for that event? It seems like a lot of people on these threads think it will go the way of the Christmas/Halloween parties. That is, they start off with a low number, then gradually increase it so it is crowded. I hope not. I don't think the people who pay for this "event" will be happy that the regular hours guests will be allowed to stay and wander the park, shopping, etc. I read that this will be allowed, but that they will not be allowed to ride the rides. Maybe this will all work out in the end. I, for one, will not be going to it at that price, just not worth it to me. If I only had one day and wanted to go to the MK, I would still just buy a regular ticket at this point.

 

[Rutt]

How WDW Spins: Headline for an article on the Disney Parks Blog reads: " Tremendous Excitement for Shanghai Disney Resort Start of Ticket Sales". The only response I can think of is, "Oh, honey; bless your heart."

Whats wrong with that title? Did you see the complaints on here for people who couldn't log in?

 

[Mike S]

I have a feeling you're right. And yes, they will hold the current stooges responsible, but at the same time, they will absolutely neuter any magic left in the parks to get every last penny possible. I could see it getting so bad they'd make cable providers look generous.....


Im not sure they'd ever go the way of the parties with it. I do however see the parties going the way of this. $200 MVMCP tickets anyone?

Welcome to the dark side......

 

[Brad Bishop]

It'd be kind of funny if, once it gets built, China said, "Oh, turns out we're communist and this new Disney park is to be nationalized (well, even more-so that it is now).. So... It's ours. Go home."

 

[UncleMike101]

It'd be kind of funny if, once it gets built, China said, "Oh, turns out we're communist and this new Disney park is to be nationalized (well, even more-so that it is now).. So... It's ours. Go home."

A perfectly logical conclusion.
In which case the top brass at WDW will likely be seeking new employment.

 

[Cesar R M]

How WDW Spins: Headline for an article on the Disney Parks Blog reads: " Tremendous Excitement for Shanghai Disney Resort Start of Ticket Sales". The only response I can think of is, "Oh, honey; bless your heart."

Can you imagine if the chinese government just issued a "mandate' to make chinese individuals to attend Disney at least once in their lifetime?

 

[Andrew C]

Can you imagine if the chinese government just issued a "mandate' to make chinese individuals to attend Disney at least once in their lifetime?

It isn't a mandate for US children to attend WDW at least once in their lifetime??

 

[wishiwere@wdw]

TDR is kept to a higher standard. Some of that is the Japanese culture. Some of it is the covenants of the licensing agreement between the OLC and TWDC. OLC is basically forced to keep its parks to standards that Disney gave up in the 90s (for some things, early 90s!)

DLP was incredibly poorly maintained until Disney forced control/ownership. They are now basically rebuilding the place and what is done has been done at a very high level. Oh, and enough of the rude employees deal. That is a BS complaint from Americans and Brits that believe CMs should be treated rudely, ignore rules for them and their angels and tell them to Have a MAGICal Day or Night multiple times. That isn't Parsian hospitality. It's BS Swamp Hospitality for Rubes. I was just there right after the New Year and the CMs could not have been nicer, friendlier or more helpful ... I think in all my years of visiting, I've had three bad CMs that I can think of (not counting the exec team) and I can generally get that in two hours at the MK if I am not lucky.

Thank you. Yes! In our two visits I couldn't agree more. We had a few issues that weren't related to cm's but rather guests (a guest smoking in the buzz queue got me buzzed) but honestly, I've witnessed some of the worst examples of humanity, yet alone Americans, down in the swamps. Minus the upkeep, our DLP experience was fantastic. And things are now looking even better!

 

[FigmentForver96]

It'd be kind of funny if, once it gets built, China said, "Oh, turns out we're communist and this new Disney park is to be nationalized (well, even more-so that it is now).. So... It's ours. Go home."

Scary thought but I would not be shocked if it ever happen. Let the park open, see how it does, once it gains stable footing throw the rug from under Disney and send them home. I would like to think that it would not happen but there has been crazier things take place.

 

[Rutt]

It isn't a mandate for US children to attend WDW at least once in their lifetime??

I don't know about the US, but if you ask my children it's a god given right for them (We are Canadian).

 

[Brad Bishop]

Scary thought but I would not be shocked if it ever happen. Let the park open, see how it does, once it gains stable footing throw the rug from under Disney and send them home. I would like to think that it would not happen but there has been crazier things take place.

Venezuela did it to the oil companies. "Hey, all of your investment in finding the oil fields plus all of that equipment.. Turns out that's ours now."

 

[Mike S]

Thank you. Yes! In our two visits I couldn't agree more. We had a few issues that weren't related to cm's but rather guests (a guest smoking in the buzz queue got me buzzed) but honestly, I've witnessed some of the worst examples of humanity, yet alone Americans, down in the swamps. Minus the upkeep, our DLP experience was fantastic. And things are now looking even better!

That might not have been tobacco......

 

[matt9112]

I think Shanghai failing could be very bad news for the parks here. I'd hate to think what kind of cuts would happen this side of the globe to make up for that.

Cuts can only go so deep before they erode the foundation. Sure you can make cuts over and over but there is a threshold. Would Disney risk loosing everything to defend ONE MANS insistence? the China deal appears weak and the only nugget of good news is china's raw population and theoretical attendance. But that's just blue sky. I mean look at the stuff 74 is putting out and it's becoming increasingly common and other sources are echoing the same sort of stuff....disney can only hide so much.

 

[BrianLo]

Hoping for Shanghai to crash and burn is stupidly short sighted. Sure Iger will hide his tail and run - but you can kiss any remote chance of a renaissance at WDW for the next decade goodbye.

I hope it's successful and the division as a whole can move forward beyond this mess.

 

[Mike S]

Hoping for Shanghai to crash and burn is stupidly short sighted. Sure Iger will hide his tail and run - but you can kiss any remote chance of a renaissance at WDW for the next decade goodbye.

I hope it's successful and the division as a whole can move forward beyond this mess.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It'd be kind of funny if, once it gets built, China said, "Oh, turns out we're communist and this new Disney park is to be nationalized (well, even more-so that it is now).. So... It's ours. Go home."

Scary thought but I would not be shocked if it ever happen. Let the park open, see how it does, once it gains stable footing throw the rug from under Disney and send them home. I would like to think that it would not happen but there has been crazier things take place.

It's not going to happen. China doesn't benefit from the instability caused by such actions.

 

[BrerJon]

I'm loving this 'Thanks Shanghai!' meme that's become prevalent in Disney fan circles in the last few days. it's the kind of thing that could gradually seep out to a wider audience and bring to the attention to what a shambles the project has been, making public stuff we've been talking about here for months. If that happens, it makes it far harder for Iger and co to put a positive spin on it at the next meeting.

 

[Mike S]

I'm loving this 'Thanks Shanghai!' meme that's become prevalent in Disney fan circles in the last few days. it's the kind of thing that could gradually seep out to a wider audience and bring to the attention to what a shambles the project has been, making public stuff we've been talking about here for months. If that happens, it makes it far harder for Iger and co to put a positive spin on it at the next meeting.

Feel free to spread my gif