How do you feel about the return of Captain EO?

How do you feel about the return of Captain EO?

  • Love it thr return of a classic!

    Votes: 44 18.5%
  • LIke it I will see it at least once!

    Votes: 48 20.2%
  • Don't like but am not bothered by it.

    Votes: 30 12.6%
  • Hate it outdated and doesn't belong in EC!

    Votes: 63 26.5%
  • Don't care either way!

    Votes: 41 17.2%
  • Other!

    Votes: 12 5.0%

  • Total voters
    238

EpcotServo

Well-Known Member
What kind of message does that send parents of young children

That if their kids ever become celebrities all they'll end up with is a rhinestone covered corpse, royalty check, and the reality that any good memories people have about them will be obscured by their kid's surely-to-be-controversial-pants-region and the only thing more coveted and fawned over then their talent will be people's die hard love of uncovering people more talented than them's dark secrets and shame so that they can pretend that they've always been better than everyone else in the world ever and don't in fact feed off the misery, controversy, and shame of others' to hide the mind-crushingingly boring and uneventful lives of the meek that they have and the knowledge that they'll never attain the celebrity status they simultaneously try and tear down while feeding off the vitality of it's superficial nature to make up for said knowledge they'll never attain it because they couldn't live up to the ideals of their parents who were also trying to live vicariously through celebrity status only instead they forced that status on them and the thought that they couldn't live up to that now feeds off of them like the mucus-covered deer ticks that now feed off the corpse that their celebrity spawn has become?



...


Or not. Whatever, just a thought.

:lol:
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
Um no, it's what I expected it to be. A fun music video from the 80s with muppets and Ms. Houston with amusingly long fingernails.

Apparently you are one of the many who are under Eo's nostalgic spell. So, this particular rant/post really wasn't directed at you. I was speaking to those who have never seen Eo but are looking forward to it.

They should lower their expectations to the point where the length of Angelica Houston's fingernails is a high light worth mentioning.

I enjoy 80s (and earlier) fantasy /ci-fi because of the approach to creating visuals without the aid of computers.

Just to be clear, I don't dislike Eo because it's old. I dislike it because it is bad.

Not that computers aren't great, but its more fun to see an eclectic mix of robots/puppets, makeup work and good old fashioned set building IMO than another "virtual" reality.

I see the merits of both. Sometimes an old school effect carries more weight than a CGI image. That's really not the issue here.

I saw it before Youtube long before any rumored return was mentioned out of curiosity.

Me too.

Lots of things are "bad" from that decade, but beloved. Transfromers, My Little Pony, Care Bares, basically anything aimed at kids.

Yeah, I would consider all of that stuff to be bad. But there were good children's programs in the 80s. Again, that's really not the point.

Nostalgia is what it is. Sometimes I take a nostalgia trip myself. It's fun for what it is. But if the only thing an attraction has going for it is self-reflexive nostalgia, IMHO it has no business being resurrected at a Disney park. That's not what Disney parks (especially Epcot) are supposed to be about.

(And let me clarify: Yes, Main Street is nostalgic. Disney plays on nostalgia in the parks. But self-reflexive nostalgia is a different animal. Especially in WDW where it will be lost on the majority of visitors.)

Nostalgia is personal and sometimes, non existent. What of the kids today who watch Labyrinth or are the ones making sure EO is packed on AP block out dates?

Hold on! Is that really happening? Can someone verify this?

Point is, you can't really argue for it begin "unwanted" because its all up to the individual.

I'm not arguing that Eo is unwanted (except by myself and discerning theme park goers). Clearly enough people want it to justify its return to the parks.

We heard you and others the first 100 times, you never liked EO, but with the sentence in bold your just coming off as desperate to convince those who do have nostalgia for it that it's awful.

Hey, if you're sick of hearing my opinion, feel free to ignore my posts. A conversation on Eo started up again. I figured I'd participate. Is that okay with you?

No, I'm not trying to change the minds of people who are nostalgic for Eo. Or really anyone else for that matter. People are going to form opinions on Eo on their own. And anyone who looks back at Eo through rose-colored glasses isn't going to be swayed by a snarky forum post.

Maybe nostalgia can't be judged by a pan and scan, 2-D copy of a 3-D theme park attraction. Maybe its all the in-theatre effects and seeing it on a big screen? Maybe it relates to someone's first trip to WDW?

Are there reasons to feel nostalgic for Eo? Sure. Is You Tube the best place to watch it? No.

But imagine you've never seen Eo before. If you watched it for the first time today, what would you think of it? (Especially considering the "Tribute" presentation won't include all of the inhouse effects that were so impressive 25 years ago.)

Again, if nostalgia for an attraction is the primary appeal of an attraction, I don't think it belongs in a Disney park.



On a different note, You want stupid power logic? How about the kid from Captain Planet who's ring was the power of "Heart"? Now that's lame.

Are you trying to convince me Captain Planet was lame? I didn't really need convincing.

Finally were there any "I'll eat my hat" comments from anyone regarding the show's return to WDW? If there was I want to see some hat eating on July 2nd. :slurp:

I may be guilty of that. I'll admit, I didn't think Eo would come back to Epcot. It made sense to bring it back to DL where the AP holders would bask in its nostalgic glow. But at Epcot? I don't get it. :shrug:
 

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
Nostalgia is what it is. Sometimes I take a nostalgia trip myself. It's fun for what it is. But if the only thing an attraction has going for it is self-reflexive nostalgia, IMHO it has no business being resurrected at a Disney park. That's not what Disney parks (especially Epcot) are supposed to be about.

Tell that to those who are (again) excited over the return of the Main Street Electrical Parade.

Hold on! Is that really happening? Can someone verify this?

It was brought up on another thread, but if true it doesn't surprise me. Kids will eat up anything the media hypes and since news (not by Disney) of its return was hyped.... This of course would all prove that appeal for EO exists outside of its nostalgia.

I'm not arguing that Eo is unwanted (except by myself and discerning theme park goers). Clearly enough people want it to justify its return to the parks.

I thought you said the nostalgia for it was unwanted? That's what I took issue with, not you thinking it's bad.

"I know nostalgia is powerful, but what's with the misplace[d?] nostalgia?"

Are there reasons to feel nostalgic for Eo? Sure. Is You Tube the best place to watch it? No.

But imagine you've never seen Eo before. If you watched it for the first time today, what would you think of it? (Especially considering the "Tribute" presentation won't include all of the inhouse effects that were so impressive 25 years ago.)

I said in another thread that "EO lite" wouldn't impress the average tourist, which is why I'm glad apparently at least some people within the company are trying to do more than just the minimum that was put together for Disneyland.

Still, the points I made could still help the 'nostalgia' towards the attraction. What form it's in today is irrelevant when considering the potential impact it possibly made when it first debuted.

I have no nostalgia for EO as I never saw it in its original run, I'm just amused Disney actually brought back someone from years ago. Especially since it replaces something I don't really care for. I voted "see it at least once" on the poll.

Again, if nostalgia for an attraction is the primary appeal of an attraction, I don't think it belongs in a Disney park.

How do you feel about MSEP returning? An even older show, just with LEDs now (and 1 new float).

Are you trying to convince me Captain Planet was lame? I didn't really need convincing.

I wasn't addressing you, but someone else made the "power of music is lame" comment. I think most people would think that Captain's show was lame.

I may be guilty of that. I'll admit, I didn't think Eo would come back to Epcot. It made sense to bring it back to DL where the AP holders would bask in its nostalgic glow. But at Epcot? I don't get it. :shrug:

Probably for the same reason they brought back Figment and sell "EPCOT Center" t-shirts.
 

ann0d

Active Member
I am NOT a Michael Jackson, but I am so happy it is returning. I love that movie! :sohappy:

Now if they would only restore Journey to Imagaination to it's original ride!
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
Tell that to those who are (again) excited over the return of the Main Street Electrical Parade.

MSEP is slightly different. Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer a new parade to an old one. But parades and attractions are kind of apples and oranges. Also, MSEP is of a higher quality than Eo. Someone who has no nostalgic attachment to MSEP can enjoy it as much as anyone else.


It was brought up on another thread, but if true it doesn't surprise me. Kids will eat up anything the media hypes and since news (not by Disney) of its return was hyped.... This of course would all prove that appeal for EO exists outside of its nostalgia.

I'd need to see it to truly believe it. Or at least have it coroborated by a reliable source.

I've actually been surprised by the lack of news about Eo's attendance since it opened. It obviously had a big opening day. But no one's really said much beyond that.

(I did a Google search and everything!)



I thought you said the nostalgia for it was unwanted? That's what I took issue with, not you thinking it's bad.

"I know nostalgia is powerful, but what's with the misplace[d?] nostalgia?"

I do think the nostalgia for Eo is misplaced. It doesn't truly deserve this kind of devotion.

Then again, who am I to tell people what to be nostalgic about? Consider that remark retracted.


I said in another thread that "EO lite" wouldn't impress the average tourist, which is why I'm glad apparently at least some people within the company are trying to do more than just the minimum that was put together for Disneyland.

If they are going to bring it back, hopefully they will dress it up to the hilt. It's going to need it for the average tourist.

I have no nostalgia for EO as I never saw it in its original run, I'm just amused Disney actually brought back someone from years ago. Especially since it replaces something I don't really care for. I voted "see it at least once" on the poll.

:eek:

Well, guessed wrong on that one!


How do you feel about MSEP returning? An even older show, just with LEDs now (and 1 new float).

Like I said above, I'd prefer a new parade. But I don't consider it an apples to apples comparisson.


I wasn't addressing you, but someone else made the "power of music is lame" comment. I think most people would think that Captain's show was lame.

Gotcha. Makes more sense now.

I've never actually watched Captain Planet but as best I can tell it was at least as lame as Eo. Probably lamer.


Probably for the same reason they brought back Figment and sell "EPCOT Center" t-shirts.

They brought back Figment to stem the uproar over killing the original Imagination ride.

Selling nostalgic merch is a whole different thing from bringing back an ancient and outdated attraction.

But I assume your point is they did it for the money. On that, we agree.
 

GoofyFan1

Active Member
If HISTA is bad why not get something fresh in there, not a replay of an outdated attraction just because it's Michael Jackson.:shrug:
 

the-reason14

Well-Known Member
If HISTA is bad why not get something fresh in there, not a replay of an outdated attraction just because it's Michael Jackson.:shrug:

Because its a quick fix, can be seen as a tribute because he passed, and it can be the in betweener for a new show when it leaves. And plus, its Michael Jackson.
 

Testtrack321

Well-Known Member
I'm going to see it once, it's worth it for "Disney history", hell, who knows maybe they'll bring back True Colors again.

Also, I like HISTA quite a bit, it's no MuppetVision but it has it's charm.
 

Alektronic

Well-Known Member
Here is a commentary from Dewayne Bevil, Orlando Sentinel :

When I saw Captain EO at Epcot back in the day, I remember rolling my eyes a lot. It was during the era when Michael Jackson was trying to prove that he was bad — real, real bad. Seriously? My friends and I weren't buying him in the role of tough-guy space commando.

But it's still interesting that the show — a 17-minute, 3-D film — will be back in action at Walt Disney World beginning July 2. EO exited in 1994 after a six-year run, and a lot of Jackson news has broken in the meantime, from his extreme physical makeover to his mysterious children to courtroom appearances and accusations to the entertainer's surprising death last year and its aftermath.

So Captain EO has baggage, more than can fit into the overhead compartment. On Facebook, its relationship status should be "it's complicated." But the passage of time can add a rosy glow to unseemly bygone elements. Which factor will be most influential in the return of Captain EO?

Long live the king factor

Die-hard Michael Jackson fans are happy with the news. They see it as a lasting tribute to the King of Pop (although no end date has been set for the Disney World run).

Although EO was not presented as a big deal in the retrospectives of Jackson's life, a movement to bring it back into theme parks soon emerged. EO returned to Disneyland in February, and it's scheduled to be at Disney parks in Tokyo and Paris in June. Guest demand was a prime factor in the comeback, Disney World officials say.

The nostalgia factor

EO is a throw-back event, with roots in the early years of Epcot. Folks like to reminisce in 3-D.

Consider this: A lot of people who were teenagers in the first EO era are now in their 30s and are ready to share this experience with their offspring.

Related to the nostalgia factor is the cheesy factor. It's all about the '80s for some people, including some people in charge. We should be thankful that Disney isn't putting A Flock of Seagulls into Soarin'.

The creepy factor

Jackson was never convicted of any crime, his defenders are quick to point out. But the stigma — and whispers of long-ago payoffs to accusing families — lingers. We can live with eccentricities (Elephant Man bones … Bubbles, anyone?), but is he still a good fit for a place heavily populated with kids?

The EO storyline is innocent enough, and the messages are wholesome: find your inner beauty, together we can almost do anything, even warriors can dance and capes can be … manly.

Done with Honey factor

To accommodate Captain EO, Honey, I Shrunk the Audience will go on hiatus. Disney says that 3-D attraction will come back eventually. Honey, based on the 1989 film Honey, I Shrunk the Kids starring Rick Moranis, moved into EO's building in 1994. One could generously described Honey as "dated." Many Disney fans who are anti-EO are in favor of wiping Honey out of Epcot.

But other folks would like to go even more retro. They call for a return of the original Journey to the Imagination pavilion — with the flying Figment character in all its glory — in that spot.

Something new factor

Another way to look at EO is as a steppingstone to a new, improved Epcot product. A segment of the population is rooting for new development of a brand-new attraction to go into the Future World slot once EO has run its course again. Online chatter dares to dream that Disney will introduce something awesome and, invariably, in high-definition.

As Tyra Banks would say, "So, who stays and who goes?" It's a dilemma. Should Disney World go back, go further back or fling itself into the future? Which set of fans should executives make happy? Hey, that's why they get the big Disney Dollars.
 

EpcotServo

Well-Known Member
Here is a commentary from Dewayne Bevil, Orlando Sentinel :

When I saw Captain EO at Epcot back in the day, I remember rolling my eyes a lot. It was during the era when Michael Jackson was trying to prove that he was bad — real, real bad. Seriously? My friends and I weren't buying him in the role of tough-guy space commando.

But it's still interesting that the show — a 17-minute, 3-D film — will be back in action at Walt Disney World beginning July 2. EO exited in 1994 after a six-year run, and a lot of Jackson news has broken in the meantime, from his extreme physical makeover to his mysterious children to courtroom appearances and accusations to the entertainer's surprising death last year and its aftermath.

So Captain EO has baggage, more than can fit into the overhead compartment. On Facebook, its relationship status should be "it's complicated." But the passage of time can add a rosy glow to unseemly bygone elements. Which factor will be most influential in the return of Captain EO?

Long live the king factor

Die-hard Michael Jackson fans are happy with the news. They see it as a lasting tribute to the King of Pop (although no end date has been set for the Disney World run).

Although EO was not presented as a big deal in the retrospectives of Jackson's life, a movement to bring it back into theme parks soon emerged. EO returned to Disneyland in February, and it's scheduled to be at Disney parks in Tokyo and Paris in June. Guest demand was a prime factor in the comeback, Disney World officials say.

The nostalgia factor

EO is a throw-back event, with roots in the early years of Epcot. Folks like to reminisce in 3-D.

Consider this: A lot of people who were teenagers in the first EO era are now in their 30s and are ready to share this experience with their offspring.

Related to the nostalgia factor is the cheesy factor. It's all about the '80s for some people, including some people in charge. We should be thankful that Disney isn't putting A Flock of Seagulls into Soarin'.

The creepy factor

Jackson was never convicted of any crime, his defenders are quick to point out. But the stigma — and whispers of long-ago payoffs to accusing families — lingers. We can live with eccentricities (Elephant Man bones … Bubbles, anyone?), but is he still a good fit for a place heavily populated with kids?

The EO storyline is innocent enough, and the messages are wholesome: find your inner beauty, together we can almost do anything, even warriors can dance and capes can be … manly.

Done with Honey factor

To accommodate Captain EO, Honey, I Shrunk the Audience will go on hiatus. Disney says that 3-D attraction will come back eventually. Honey, based on the 1989 film Honey, I Shrunk the Kids starring Rick Moranis, moved into EO's building in 1994. One could generously described Honey as "dated." Many Disney fans who are anti-EO are in favor of wiping Honey out of Epcot.

But other folks would like to go even more retro. They call for a return of the original Journey to the Imagination pavilion — with the flying Figment character in all its glory — in that spot.

Something new factor

Another way to look at EO is as a steppingstone to a new, improved Epcot product. A segment of the population is rooting for new development of a brand-new attraction to go into the Future World slot once EO has run its course again. Online chatter dares to dream that Disney will introduce something awesome and, invariably, in high-definition.

As Tyra Banks would say, "So, who stays and who goes?" It's a dilemma. Should Disney World go back, go further back or fling itself into the future? Which set of fans should executives make happy? Hey, that's why they get the big Disney Dollars.

Yeah, I read that over some Delicious Chick-a-minis at the Chick-Fil-A and thought it was kind of a Annoying Article. I don't quite get why all the Buzz Words are Highlighted to sensationalize a simple story. Even better is how they don't highlight context, so if you skim over you'd miss the tiny words like this- Captain Eo does not feature Explosive Gassy Anteaters Flying over audience member's heads. Which Words do you read first?

Also what alot of Explosive Gassy Anteaters fail to Mention is that Nostalgia and Futurism can live in the same park since we love both and both are just what makes Epcot so great. But that's just Me.
 

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