Holding place in line...Yea or Nay?

[JustPlainBill]

I'm as tolerant as the next guy and I've had a few parents occasionally push past my family to join their party farther up the line. Regardless of the reason why, it isn't right. I have children as well, and as parents my wife and I have learned to anticipate to a degree what are children's needs are ahead of time. Before we enter a line that we know is long, we do the potty break thing, just like we do before going on long road road trips. If it is a hot day we refill our water bottles before hand. If our kids have an emergency and we need to leave the line we do so as a family, it would never enter our minds to expect our places to be saved, we would rather stick needles in our eyes than expect others to "tolerate" us. We hold the same expectation for others. If you make exceptions for one, you need to do it for others as well. There should be a zero tolerance for line-jumping. It's the way we were raised and we are teaching our children the same lesson.

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Interesting discussion, but think about this...

If your in line, at the end of a 60 minute wait, and a small child craps himself and leaves with a parent to the rest room, only to return 20 minutes later, are you really not going to allow him back in line?

This wouldn't bother me at all, plus I would not be inhaling rectal discharge, to let them come back in line. Kids do things like that...

 

[JustPlainBill]

Interesting discussion, but think about this...

If your in line, at the end of a 60 minute wait, and a small child craps himself and leaves with a parent to the rest room, only to return 20 minutes later, are you really not going to allow him back in line?

This wouldn't bother me at all, plus I would not be inhaling rectal discharge, to let them come back in line. Kids do things like that...

If you leave the line, that's should be it. You have nothing else but to rely on but the good nature of others to let you back in again. You risk the anger of all the other guests you inconvienience by pushing them aside, stepping on their toes and knocking over their small children to get ahead of the line. It just encourages others to to the same for lesser reasons. I don't expect it to be allowed for me. It is not the consideration of the line jumper to be concerned about. It is inconvienient for those little life's emergencies to happen with our children, but they happen to all of us. Some of us expect others to put up with us, others go back to the end of the line. How is a CM supposed to police line-jumping if they have to now interpret what it means and whose allowed to save whose place in line?

 

[Jimmy Thick]

If you leave the line, that's should be it. You have nothing else but to rely on but the good nature of others to let you back in again. You risk the anger of all the other guests you inconvienience by pushing them aside, stepping on their toes and knocking over their small children to get ahead of the line. It just encourages others to to the same for lesser reasons. I don't expect it to be allowed for me. It is not the consideration of the line jumper to be concerned about. It is inconvienient for those little life's emergencies to happen with our children, but they happen to all of us. Some of us expect others to put up with us, others go back to the end of the line. How is a CM supposed to police line-jumping if they have to now interpret what it means and whose allowed to save whose place in line?

All valid points, but...

I can't fault a child if he/she has an emergency, most kids don't think about stuff like that until its too late, especially when they are at Disney.

 

[EchoOfOphelia]

I hate line cutters.. only if its a parent taking a child to the bathroom, am I okay with it. Its nice to read that so many people stop tour groups from coming through! That's never happened to me, but if it did, I'd be sooo mad! :fork:

Why on earth would you get out of line to go get a fast pass, its not a big deal, and aren't you at WDW to spend time with your family?!

 

[JustPlainBill]

All valid points, but...

I can't fault a child if he/she has an emergency, most kids don't think about stuff like that until its too late, especially when they are at Disney.

I am only looking at this issue from a perspective of enforcement and fairness. Perhaps it comes from my occupation as a person who supervises people. I deal with issues of rules and fairness daily if not hourly. There are usually instances when a gray area pops up and you're faced with whether to disregard a rule infraction or enforce it. With line-jumping and children it teaches the wrong lesson to allow it. Waiting in line is very frustrating in and of itself, let alone having to leave it without experiencing the attraction, I have experienced this and understand. I also don't find fault with a child because of an emergency that may occur but not letting them back in line is not an issue of finding fault, more... it is a consequence or set-back we all experience along life's rocky road. How am I supposed to know when I get in line that an adult pulling on a child past me is going back to their original place in line? It's one thing to expect one or even a few guests to accommodate them, quite another to expect dozens to hundreds to.

 

[MKCP 1985]

I have seen an entire family try to cut in line at the Tea Cups by sending the smallest boy (about age 12) to cut through the line first. About a minute later the older son was cutting in to meet up with his brother, thirty seconds later the parents were trying to get in line also. The man standing at the turnstyle (who had been waiting) would not let the parents past him. I was in between the two groups and was afraid that fists would start to fly!

. . . aaaand? what DID happen? inquiring minds want to know. :lol:

I refuse to vote in another JimmyThick poll, as he has nothing but disdain for all members who participate in his threads

I'll bet his name isn't really Jimmy Thick, either!

Here's what REALLY burns my buns:

I'm standing in a queue line with a 90 minute wait time, I've been standing in line for 45 minutes in the hot Florida sun waiting patiently in front of a lady with her teenage daughter/son. All of a sudden I hear someone say behind me "Excuse me, we're trying to catch up with our family" It's a man with 2 small children who came to join the lady and teenageer in front of me. In his hands he is holding, 3 Mickey Premium ice cream bars and two ice cold cups of Coca-Cola.

That, my friends, can kill the Disney Magic for me faster than a summer Florida down pour.

If I have to stand in line for 90 minutes in 95º heat without substinance so should everyone around me...

...or at least they better bring enough food and/or drinks for me.:lookaroun

I disagree. I've seen this happen a hundred times. 90 minute wait . . . hot day . . . the queue winds around to a point where a person can get out of line and go to the restroom, water fountain or ice cream wagon and a couple people get out of the line, with the rest of their party continuing on. 5 -10 minutes later, the queue winds back to a point where the people get back in line with their ice creams or whatever. It is nothing to get bent about. The wait was 90 minutes when you got in line . . . you end up having waited 90 minutes after they get back in line. :shrug:

Chances are, worse things than this are going to happen to you on a multi-day vacation, so let it goooooo.

 

[PintoColvig]

In certain situations I find it annoying to cut in line. But I am on vacation and I try not to let it get to me.

I'll tell you what got to me more. We were in disneyland waiting for the nemo subs. It was kind of chaos because it was the beginning of the day and everyone was trying to get in line. We were actually outside the line queue. There was a big group of people behind us waiting in line so it was pretty obvious that we were in line. A gap appeared in front of us and we went to walk up to close it when a family of three ran in front of us and started standing in line like there was no large line behind us. My hubby was like what the heck? But I told him not to say anything. I figured maybe they didn't realize they were cutting in front of people who were already standing there for 10 minutes. My hubby and oldest didn't like it but there was nothing they could do about it. The best was when a couple young kids try squeezing past us to meet up with their party in front of us. I just let them go and at this point really thought nothing of it. But the budders in front of us turned to me and said,"I bet the people behind them will not appreciate having more people added in front of them." I felt like saying,"I'm sure they'll get over it, just like I got over it when you cut in front of me." But I said nothing and just kind of nodded at her. :lol:

This happened to me on the day that HM reopened from its refurb. Lines were long and stretched beyond the queue. A couple slipped into line at the beginning of the queue instead at the end of the line that started five minutes back. Even though they were behind us, I kindly told the couple that the line began much further back. I really believe they knew they were cutting even though they played dumb at first. Since they didn't budge, I repeated myself and only then did they grudgingly go to the end of the line. My wife wasn't happy with me because I opened my mouth. She said, "You never know if they are going to pull a gun on you". I laughed and told her, "It's not like we're at DL." LOL.

 

[philsfan2185]

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the same exact situation happened to my girlfriend and I back in August when MK just opened its gates except it was at BTMRR It was an Australian family, and the father wanted to fight me because I called him out about cutting in line. I will say I antagonized, but that was only after he didn't apologize for cutting. I was talking to my gf and indirectly making references about cutting in line. He kept throwing me dirty looks, but I just smiled back and it kept making him more mad. They never went to the back of the line. For the rest of the day, and the vacation as a matter of fact, my gf kept teasing me and saying, "there's the guy!"

 

[BeachClubVillas]

I have to admit, I cut once for real. I was at Typhoon Lagoon and walking past the raft return to get in line and return mine. Well on my way past the person trying to put their raft in was so uncoordinated they were very slowly picking up their raft and maneuvering it about and were about 10 feet back from where you put the raft down anyways. I thought "this is ridiculous" and in about 1 second had my raft on the conveyer belt and on its way while she still bumbled about. Oh, God this lady about 15 people back in line went bananas and came running after me. She was screaming at the top of her lungs calling for a CM. I ignored her and went on my way. I guess I should have waited in line but it didn't make efficiency sense as I held up no one for even a mere moment. Thinking back I should have immediately admitted I was wrong and then told her she would be equally wrong for getting out of line to chase me down and yell and then getting back in line.

Actually thinking even more about this as I type...I was right and would do it again...I can't wait around while someone holds up the line and I take advantage of the situation at no cost to anyone else.:king:

Wouldn't it have been easier to have just helped the woman put her raft on the belt?

 

[mouselvrmom]

This happened to me on the day that HM reopened from its refurb. Lines were long and stretched beyond the queue. A couple slipped into line at the beginning of the queue instead at the end of the line that started five minutes back. Even though they were behind us, I kindly told the couple that the line began much further back. I really believe they knew they were cutting even though they played dumb at first. Since they didn't budge, I repeated myself and only then did they grudgingly go to the end of the line. My wife wasn't happy with me because I opened my mouth. She said, "You never know if they are going to pull a gun on you". I laughed and told her, "It's not like we're at DL." LOL.

:lol: That's funny! At least you spoke up. I wouldn't let my hubby speak up, I just didn't want a scene, and 3 people didn't end up changing our length in line. It was mighty annoying, though.

 

[PintoColvig]

:lol: That's funny! At least you spoke up. I wouldn't let my hubby speak up, I just didn't want a scene, and 3 people didn't end up changing our length in line. It was mighty annoying, though.

At six foot-three inches and 230 pounds, I can fake out most people! :ROFLOL:

 

[disney111]

It depends on the situation. I don't like it if one person holds the line for like a huge family of like twelve people. But if it's like a couple people I kinda just shrug it off...

 

[wvdisneyfamily]

I hate line cutters.. only if its a parent taking a child to the bathroom, am I okay with it. Its nice to read that so many people stop tour groups from coming through! That's never happened to me, but if it did, I'd be sooo mad! :fork:

Why on earth would you get out of line to go get a fast pass, its not a big deal, and aren't you at WDW to spend time with your family?!

Once we were in line for Rock'n'Roller Coaster and this tour group kept cutting in front of us with expired fast passes.:fork: We made a human block eventually with some guests we didn't know. People will do ANYTHING to avoid the wait in line. No one likes to wait, but it's a part of life. Sometimes waiting can be nice because you get to just soak up WDW and spend time with those you care about. I'd take standing in line at WDW over going to work anyday. :sohappy:

 

[scottnj1966]

If it was because you were in line and had to go to the bathroom and then come back, yes. Any other reason no. Sorry no one else wants to wait in line either, deal with it.

I have no idea how people today would be able to handle the lines back when the mk was the only parks and lines were always 120 minutes for everything.
Well except if you had wings, you could always jump on that one

 

[DisneyChik17]

If at all possible, I stand with a hand on each rail of the queue. And, part of my regular practice everyday is to not move until some one says "excuse me" or "pardon me." Most people won't do this unless it's a parent who took a child to the restroom, or something along those lines. Most generally, if the skippers got to me, that's as far as they get.

 

[PigletIsMyCat]

My problem is when an overweight person gets to cut because they are too fat or lazy to walk around. :fork:

Nice, really nice. You have no idea why they are fat, or if they are indeed lazy. There are illnesses that cause you to gain weight. There are illnesses that cause you to be unable to walk or excercise, thus exacerbating the weight gain. There are a million reasons why someone you think is 'just fat and lazy' would be in a wheelchair or given special permission to cut a line, just as a child with a non-visible disability might be.

Speaking personally as a fattie with a degenerative injury that causes me to get a wheelchair. And I've had to endure plenty of those looks, 'oh look at the fatty, too fat and lazy to walk around the park, has to make her husband push her around'. Try having compassion and giving some people the benefit of the doubt.

As for line cutting, in no circumstance is it okay (with the exception of guest service cards haded out to disabled guests, and they wouldn't be cutting anyway, they usually go in through the ride exit). When I was a kid, if we were in line for a ride at the local carnival and I acted up/had to potty/ticked my mom off, I was taken off the line. When I calmed down/used the potty, we got back on THE END OF THE LINE.

Having said that, I'm not about to let a small child's bladder issues ruin my vacation. A mom/dad and her/his kid in front of me on line is not going to cost me more than one load cycle on any ride. Not a problem. Any adults trying to get past me sans enfant get nowhere. Don't care who's holding what spot: you ain't getting in front of me. If DH distracts me and one gets by (he has been known to do this, he hates when I start 'interacting' with other guests) I have been known to politely confront said cutter, and point out how many other people have been waiting patiently in the line. If my group gets separated, the first one in the group waits by the entrance for stragglers to catch up.

Honestly, there is no reason for anyone to cut any line. There is a line. It's there for a reason. Get your bathroom and smoke breaks out of the way, pick up a soda or Mickey Premium before you get there. No excuses.

 

[Figment1989]

If the line's really, really long and I have to go to the bathroom, I generally talk to the people around me, just to make sure that they'd be ok with me coming back to the line. If anyone is unhappy about it, I generally won't go, but I find that people don't mind as much if you give them the courtesy to let them know the circumstance.

 

[CMTinkerbell99]

Another glorious day, another glorious poll from yours truly.


Holding place in line, do you do it, do you allow it, or do you find such actions deplorable?

Now this topic is a little difficult to pass judgement on, due to the fact children play a large part in why people do this. Or people with physical disabilities, what have you.

But, somethimes you do see people who are just lazy, and send others to wait while they do something else. Chances are this has happed to you and you knew about it, or you don't care. I happen to fall in the I don't really care section of this discussion, but from my experience, ALOT of people do, as I have seen several heated arguments in line, almost always at Space Moutain for some odd reason.

So, does it bother you?

No not always depending on the reason. We have gotten in line and almost gotten on an attraction and my oldest starts to fidget. Of course the child has to go to the bathroom and there is no way he will be able to wait for duration of the rest of the line and then attaction. Either myself or DH will take said child to the bathroom and then try to catch up to the other. I don't think it is fair to send one person to the line to wait then more than 60% comes and joins them.

 

[michaelcostella]

I strongly disagree with one person getting in line, while other's go to do another attraction or get a Fastpass, and then the rest of the family joining the line at a later point. If each person standing in line were to be reserving places for an additional 3 guests, the wait times would be 3 or 4 times longer. Holding places in line makes a complete mess of standby times and fastpass distribution. The systems are not designed for one person to enter a line and then to bring in more people to another point within the line.

I fail to see why people cant wait until their entire group is together before entering an attraction. As I said before, if everyone did it, there would be chaos. What really annoys me as well, is that the people who do it think they are being really "clever" and by saving time they are some kind of experts. I would personally love to see CM eject people from the line who do this.

Exactly how i feel. It alters everywhere whether they realize they are doing it or not and its not fair.