HKDL gets new castle, frozen land and marvel land.

[Supersnow84]

Their goodwill started to be destroyed in 2019 for firing the Halloween show producers/performers due to political reasons. They therefore started to lose local attendance and it got worse after many attractions closed down, including 1 drop tower, 2 coasters out of 4, a splash-mountain type ride, a pirate ship etc. Local goes to OP other than Disney mostly bc of their thrill rides or for some, animals. This surely hurt OP very much for losing its competitiveness. So I think thrill rides will help Disney gain some attendance from here.

Also, OP focused heavily on mainland tourists. This becomes a very difficult situation for them when mainlanders don't come due to COVID and their negative impression of HK. This is reflected by the difference in attendance between Disney and OP in 2022 (3.4 million vs 1.4 million), even HK residents get a free ticket on their birthdays.

Not to miss that Chimelong Ocean Kingdom is not far away. They got more thrilling rides and impressive exhibits/aquariums and definitely drove OP attendance away. The second park is now open and there is continuous development for the resort.

OP therefore lost both locals and mainlanders. I think it is unlikely that the government would willing to invest in the park in the future to avoid direct competition with Chimelong. OP may slowly become a local zoo instead of a theme park in the future.

There is also the controversy that went around where LegCo bailed out OP then OP laid off most of their staff during Covid

Meanwhile Disney asked for nothing and still kept their entire staff on

I really don’t think OP is going to survive much longer TBH as it seems like Disney has caught the local market finally

 

[Haymarket]

IF there were ever to be a second park, any idea what it might be, given local tastes and a general sense of what's going on?

 

[22031029]

IF there were ever to be a second park, any idea what it might be, given local tastes and a general sense of what's going on?

im guessing considering disneys model its gonna be something similar to DCA or a studios park? thats the idea that most ppl have (basically an IP collection)

 

[Hkayer]

IF there were ever to be a second park, any idea what it might be, given local tastes and a general sense of what's going on?

I would like it to be more of an adventure-style park similar to DisneySea/Animal Kingdom/Enchanted Forest with IPs like Pirates/Indy/Star Wars/Pandora/Villains/Wakanda. I think this will attract ppl who think Disneyland is for kids/couples.

 

[22031029]

I would like it to be more of an adventure-style park similar to DisneySea/Animal Kingdom/Enchanted Forest with IPs like Pirates/Indy/Star Wars/Pandora/Villains. I think this will attract ppl who think Disneyland is for kids/couples.

i think maybe pirates would eventually have an attraction in the legacy park? but there could potentially be an overarching story or smth that connects both park's pirates attractions? or is it too insignificant of a franchise to have 2 attractions in both parks

 

[Hkayer]

i think maybe pirates would eventually have an attraction in the legacy park? but there could potentially be an overarching story or smth that connects both park's pirates attractions? or is it too insignificant of a franchise to have 2 attractions in both parks

I would love to see Pirates flume in Disneyland Park. I stated Pirates just to give an overall feeling of the 2nd park idea. But Peter Pan will be in both DisneySea and Tokyo Disneyland. So it could happen (but I doubt that a franchise will have 2 e-tickets).

 

[Supersnow84]

The second park is a long long way out, at best they would need another expansion of the size of the one they are currently doing and have attendance regular exceed 10-12mil before they would even consider it

 

[SweetDuffy101]

IF there were ever to be a second park, any idea what it might be, given local tastes and a general sense of what's going on?

The Idea that I read on other forums that DisneySea was always the answer for a second park. and animal kingdom based theme park for Shanghai Disneyland.

 

[22031029]

The Idea that I read on other forums that DisneySea was always the answer for a second park. and animal kingdom based theme park for Shanghai Disneyland.

interestingly, i read on another thread that disney actually trademarked the disneysea name for HK's second park

 

[Supersnow84]

I know the proportions aren’t really accurate on these maps but with the map out now with arendelle included does anyone else think that loss of autopia is really making the park look unbalanced

I wonder with how long this is dragging on they actually regret ripping down autopia, it wasn’t the best ride but I do feel like the park desperately needs more on the north side

 

[Hkayer]

I know the proportions aren’t really accurate on these maps but with the map out now with arendelle included does anyone else think that loss of autopia is really making the park look unbalanced

I wonder with how long this is dragging on they actually regret ripping down autopia, it wasn’t the best ride but I do feel like the park desperately needs more on the north side

Wasn't the park designed to be unbalanced in the first place? The expansion pads are mostly on the South side. But I do agree the Avenger plot should be developed first to minimize the difference at this moment.

 

[Supersnow84]

Wasn't the park designed to be unbalanced in the first place? The expansion pads are mostly on the South side. But I do agree the Avenger plot should be developed first to minimize the difference at this moment.

I don’t know if the park was ever “designed” to be unbalanced or if it happened that way more by accident but either way I don’t think it’s great for the park in the longer run

 

[marni1971]

The Idea that I read on other forums that DisneySea was always the answer for a second park. and animal kingdom based theme park for Shanghai Disneyland.

HKDL second Gate was a kind of hybrid DAK / DisneySea

 

[22031029]

HKDL second Gate was a kind of hybrid DAK / DisneySea

oh really? are you referring to enchanted forest?

 

[marni1971]

oh really? are you referring to enchanted forest?

Don’t recall mate. It’s on some art I have somewhere and really need to find again.

 

[Supersnow84]

oh really? are you referring to enchanted forest?

enchanted forest is the most concrete plan we have ever seen for a second gate (in terms of having the most amount of thematic concept art relevant to it while vague rumours have gone around it was under genuine consideration)

The only thing is the concept art was released in a time when it had become clear the resort couldn’t handle two parks so it’s still dubious if it was ever under legit consideration or if the park has ever had the budget to consider it, the resort has never had the budget to even entertain the idea of HKDS for example

 

[Supersnow84]

Don’t recall mate. It’s on some art I have somewhere and really need to find again.

Was it this

 

[marni1971]

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Was it this

If it came with a site plan could be. I really don’t know where I put it. My archive needs another reorganising.

 

[22031029]

hopefully HKDL does get a second gate in the future, even if it seems unlikely based on the park's current situation

 

[bsod]

HKDL's competitor Ocean Park got a sort of "second gate" with Water World but the crowd is really dead when we saw it last September. Is it really like that or it's packed inside? (we only saw the outdoors)