Here come the mermaids

DisneyJunkie

Well-Known Member
I can see the desire (and I agree with them, too) to update and spruce up some of the older, more established attractions, and I even like the addition of Captain Jack, Barbossa, and Davy Jones to POTC.......but I think enough is enough now. POTC: OST was without a doubt a terrible movie and the worst in the POTC series. We don't need ANYTHING from it added to the ride, we really don't.
 

Rose&Crowner

Well-Known Member
I don't know what all of the purists are complaining about, in this original queue concept sketch you can clearly see Walt's intentions:
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ulto22

Active Member
I can see the desire (and I agree with them, too) to update and spruce up some of the older, more established attractions, and I even like the addition of Captain Jack, Barbossa, and Davy Jones to POTC.......but I think enough is enough now. POTC: OST was without a doubt a terrible movie and the worst in the POTC series. We don't need ANYTHING from it added to the ride, we really don't.

Agreed, movie tie ins to classic attractions can cheapen it to me. I would appreciate a proper modern reimagining/tribute to the classic attraction, much like some movie adaptions do. It needs to have the same spirit and vibe, but feel fresh and new
 

rle4lunch

Well-Known Member
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If Disney can modify the boats on IASW to appease the ever-growing morbidly obese people of the world (so the ride doesn't get stuck), then they can modify a ride to adjust to the evolution of POTC as directly connected to the movie. Most of Disney's rides revolve around movies that have come and gone, and are not associated to a current and ongoing movie franchise. In this respect, I think that they are keeping both the ride life cycle and the movie life cycle going (including merchandising et al), according to their patrons wants (not just a select few on a disney blog site). Plus, it looks pretty subtle. Big dookie. The WDW version of this ride desperately needs something more, it's a good 8-10 minutes less of a ride than its DL big brother.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
In this respect, I think that they are keeping both the ride life cycle and the movie life cycle going (including merchandising et al), according to their patrons wants (not just a select few on a disney blog site). Plus, it looks pretty subtle. Big dookie. The WDW version of this ride desperately needs something more, it's a good 8-10 minutes less of a ride than its DL big brother.

this sounds like a great justification on why we should insert Mickey Mouse in his pirate costume into the attraction. Keep both those franchises pumping.. keep 'em fresh!.. It's a win win, that area is boring anyway.

(Which is the exact logic that introduced Disney characters into IASW)

And BTW, if you want to complain about needing something more... the majority of those 8-10 minutes in DL are spend wandering through empty caves with absolutely nothing to look at but rock walls. The only saving grace in there at all is the extra drop.
 

sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
This has likely been covered before, but this is my opinion. I'm not against this inclusion at all, but IMO this would work best if you never saw the full mermaids. If you saw a few disturbances in the water, then the glimmer of the tails as they crest just above water, maybe even a full on tail at the end, but never the acutal full-on-mermaid. Play off the "wait, did I just see something" vibe and leave it at that. Leave the big "scary" reveal to be the skeleton ship captain. I dont know how I'm going to like a hissing mermaid popping out from behind a rock or something, it just doesn't feel right with the vibe of the cave.
I will however reserve judgement fully until I ride it in a few months.
 

rle4lunch

Well-Known Member
this sounds like a great justification on why we should insert Mickey Mouse in his pirate costume into the attraction. Keep both those franchises pumping.. keep 'em fresh!.. It's a win win, that area is boring anyway.

(Which is the exact logic that introduced Disney characters into IASW)

And BTW, if you want to complain about needing something more... the majority of those 8-10 minutes in DL are spend wandering through empty caves with absolutely nothing to look at but rock walls. The only saving grace in there at all is the extra drop.


not really, considering you don't see Mickey in the POTC movies. I think you're going a little overboard (pun intended! ha) with the way you're reaching there... in that case, you could take Stitch and input him into Fantasia riding one of the waves of water in.. pssh.
 

ulto22

Active Member
Your argument does not follow. The 2006 movie overlay did very little updating of technology and effects. Besides adding the air effect to the Wicked Wench's cannons (which was one of the few positives of that overlay), most of the technology that had been there since the 1970's past that scene in Florida's WDW was not replaced. It was done exclusively to cash in on the success of the movie series while expending the least possible effort to do so.

The Paris POTC is an example of how relatively modern technology and effects enhanced a classic ride. Some scenes were shuffled around, but the basic premise of the ride is still intact. Things like those great sword-fighting AAs added to the Imagineers' original version, rather than clash with it. If they had brought effects like that to Florida and added no movie characters, I guarantee no fan of the original ride would be complaining.

Tacking on movie characters did nothing to preserve Walt's legacy, as you say. It totally changed the narrative of the ride. While the credits for the POTC movies say that they are based on Walt Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean, that version of the ride doesn't really exist anymore. POTC was famous as far as theme park rides go before the first movie, and it never struggled to draw a crowd. In the interest of respecting the brilliance of the original Imagineers who first built POTC, Disney should have taken the opportunity to use the movies to generate new interest in the classic ride. I think the movies and the ride should have remained separate entities, and Disney should have built an attraction that was more appropriate for the movie series to capitalize on the success of the franchise. Instead, they went the cheap route. They messed up one of the greatest rides of all time, and they attempted to exploit the success of the movie franchise in the parks while putting the bare minimum of effort into doing so.

I'm sorry, I must not have articulated my point correctly, but I agree with you. I meant that they need to find a way to preserve the attractions while upgrading it, sorta like a spiritual successor/remake,without adding characters.

The classics are great,but imagineering needs to find a good way to move these rides into the 21st century, they won't last forever in their current state. (See CoP)

My apologies for the confusion
 

SleepingMonk

Well-Known Member
Serious question....

This new mermaid addition is going to be completed in a single night, or over the course of several nights?

Either way, how much can they accomplish that way?

Projection screen, static figures?
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
BUT THEN...

i started to think why on earth does magic kingdom have to be like a museum? its a theme park, it needs to move into the 21st century and update its attractions. so, a bit controversially. why not just totally update pirates of the carribbean to fit with the current franchise? possibly with a story of its own? trying to keep the charm of the original. id love the idea of hans zimmer doing an original score for the ride, but incorporating "a pirates like for me" into it.

I know this is FAR from MK, but I'm hoping we'll see a really high quality POTC at the new Shanghai Disneyland based on the films. There's a lot that could be done with it, IMO
 

Hakunamatata

Le Meh
Premium Member
Jack should have just been one of the pirates. No specific mentioning, just there.

Barbossa being in charge and everybody looking for Jack has no sense to it. It does not fit the chronology of the films, as Barbossa had yet to mutiny, not is there sense in the town wanting to be plundered by a certain pirate.
Could this have taken place as the mutiny is unfolding. Looking for Jack in order to strand him on the island?
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Could this have taken place as the mutiny is unfolding. Looking for Jack in order to strand him on the island?
I don't think so, as Jack's argument that Davy Jones should not claim his soul is that he was only captain of the Black Pearl for a brief period before the mutiny. Barbossa is aboard the Wicked Wench which points to these events being before Jack's deal with Davy Jones and thus before the mutiny.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
I don't think so, as Jack's argument that Davy Jones should not claim his soul is that he was only captain of the Black Pearl for a brief period before the mutiny. Barbossa is aboard the Wicked Wench which points to these events being before Jack's deal with Davy Jones and thus before the mutiny.
Thus the problem with overly-convoluted back stories.
 

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