Haunted Mansion Expansion

[Main Street USA]

Or at least they used to.

~Where's '74 when you need him~

I'm pretty sure they still do. Wasn't it just these past few days that the park closed because it had too many guests? Hmmmmm, uhhhhhhh, I think that's what they're after.

Man, sometimes I think people around here can't see the simple things like, oh, I dunno, Disney wants to make MONEY with the parks, not just please a few fanboys. You can all argue until you're blue in the face, but you'll have to go elsewhere for your HMH fix.

 

[wdwfan100]

The attractions you list above have been written into people's heads by Disney in the parks, and are all original attractions. People have discovered them through being in the parks. To suddenly replace the much loved original Mansion with an obscure movie story will not make sense to a lot of people.

I for one am happy that WDW does not transform the HM to HMH. I have been to Disneyland and have experienced the HMH and it did not do it for me. As stated above I have grown to truly enjoy the ride at WDW and I think re-theming it to NBC would be unfortunate

 

[wdwfan100]

Are these those surverys that are fixed to get the results Disney wants to get???

And they deem the money is betetr spent elsewhere?? Like building a parking lot in Tomorrowland?? A Stitch Dance Hall in Tomorrowland?? or even worse: STITCH'S GREAT ESCAPE??

Someone over in Disney is not doing their job good enough with the money saved from not running HMH...

Yea....what is the deal with Stitch? Did I miss the movie gross totals? Was Lilo and Stitch such a high grossing movie that the execs felt Stitch should be everywhere?:shrug:

 

[Disneyson 1]

Oh gosh, not another giftshop!

[Launches off on a "Disney Corporation Making Money" and "It's Not How it Used to Be Like" Rant that We See So Often On the Forums Lately]

Thank you.

 

[Main Street USA]

Yea....what is the deal with Stitch? Did I miss the movie gross totals? Was Lilo and Stitch such a high grossing movie that the execs felt Stitch should be everywhere?:shrug:

Stitch was a very loved character within the months after the movie came out, but the sort of over shot the mark on how much he should have been used. I think most feel like he shows up WAY too much these days. The fact that they're opening up yet another Stitch attraction blows my mind, especially with it being a stage show sort of production.

They know more than we do, but wow, I can't imagine guests wanted this.

 

[SirGoofy]

Oh gosh, not another giftshop!

[Launches off on a "Disney Corporation Making Money" and "It's Not How it Used to Be Like" Rant that We See So Often On the Forums Lately]

Thank you.

Except this is a ride that actually needs a gift shop with some HM merch. There's 2 t-shirts for the HM. 2.

They know more than we do, but wow, I can't imagine guests wanted this.

Makes no sense does it?

 

[wdwmagic]

Stitch was a very loved character within the months after the movie came out, but the sort of over shot the mark on how much he should have been used. I think most feel like he shows up WAY too much these days. The fact that they're opening up yet another Stitch attraction blows my mind, especially with it being a stage show sort of production.

They know more than we do, but wow, I can't imagine guests wanted this.

One thing I have come to learn about stitch, is that he seems to be very popular with regular guests - ie. non-hardcore fans.

 

[SirGoofy]

One thing I have come to learn about stitch, is that he seems to be very popular with regular guests - ie. non-hardcore fans.

Yea the character is, but the attraction is universally hated. People have complained to me that it's fifteen minutes of their life they'll never get back.:lol:

 

[Main Street USA]

Makes no sense does it?

Not to me, but again, they know more than any of us. They're the ones that make the decisions on this stuff, which means they have all the info we'd love to have.

I guess in this particular situation, if we have to have a stage party, I'd personally rather see a general Tomorrowland Stage Party, not a Stitch one. The general public, however, knows who Stitch is, and may go see it just for that.

Stage parties just aren't a way I spend my time in the MK, so this is a waste of space to me no matter what. The fact that they're building a permanent stage is what blows my mind more than anything.

If it can be used for more than just the Stitch thing I guess it's better out in plain view rather than being hidden back behind Buzz and Carousel where no one even knows it's there.

Who knows.

 

[SirGoofy]

Not to me, but again, they know more than any of us. They're the ones that make the decisions on this stuff, which means they have all the info we'd love to have.

I guess in this particular situation, if we have to have a stage party, I'd personally rather see a general Tomorrowland Stage Party, not a Stitch one. The general public, however, knows who Stitch is, and may go see it just for that.

Stage parties just aren't a way I spend my time in the MK, so this is a waste of space to me no matter what. The fact that they're building a permanent stage is what blows my mind more than anything.

If it can be used for more than just the Stitch thing I guess it's better out in plain view rather than being hidden back behind Buzz and Carousel where no one even knows it's there.

Who knows.

That's the thing that gets me. The building is MASSIVE.

 

[disnyfan89]

I'm pretty sure they still do. Wasn't it just these past few days that the park closed because it had too many guests? Hmmmmm, uhhhhhhh, I think that's what they're after.

Man, sometimes I think people around here can't see the simple things like, oh, I dunno, Disney wants to make MONEY with the parks, not just please a few fanboys. You can all argue until you're blue in the face, but you'll have to go elsewhere for your HMH fix.

I have great faith in the company and trust greatly in them. However, it doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure out that WDW is become stale fast with no major new projects in the works. Instead we see continued growth in timeshare and overused franchises and characters. Yet other parks in the Orlando area continues to expand and offer new and unique experiences. Sea World is about to open Florida's first flying coaster with Universal following closely behind with a new innovative coaster. While this may not be everyone's cup of tea it still beats Disney's latest offerings. And with Harry Potter on the horizon Disney needs to get their act in gear. Sure Disney's attendance is looking great now but it wont for long if they stand by and continue to do nothing.

 

[WDW1974]

Well neither of us are going to ever know that, but I would doubt the entire WDW research dept was bent. Disney didnt get where they are today by being idiots, they do on the whole know what they are doing LOL

Steve, with all due respect, I'd argue that Disney has gotten where it is today precisely by inept management that makes kneejerk decisions and only views the next quarter's results as important, not the long term value of the 'brand.'

Disney has been resting on its laurels, especially in FLA, and coasting on its reputation ... a great reputation deservedly earned by some incredibly talented men and women who didn't do the bare minimum, who always tried to do the impossible ... people of vision.

That's what gets you EPCOT Center ... or the original WDW resort of the 1970s ... or even DAK (although that was more of Joe Rohde's genius than anything considering how his budget was continually shrunk).

So when you say they know what they're doing today, I take issue. Perhaps, I shouldn't because in one way they do know ... they are purposely creating a whole new breed of fan, one that expects far less out of the company. After spending decades based on the noble goal of exceeding guests expectations, they now are quite content to barely try and meet guests diminished expectations. I'd argue that after reading/taking part in many threads here that they have succeeded.

No matter what Disney does, no matter how moronic, they get defended. That's scary for the long term health of WDW.

I'm not gonna do battle with you again over Mansion Holiday. But your 'logic' for not bringing it to Florida makes no sense. It works hugely in Anaheim and in Tokyo because it is a great attraction that tells an entertaining story. That's still what sells. The idea that FLA visitors are so special and unique and would have their magical WDW vacations ruined by a holiday version is just laughable. But again, we aren't going to see eye to eye and sadly the folks who run WDW are firmly behind doing absolutely nothing as far as holiday overlays go.

~Not Defending da Man.~

 

[WDW1974]

Quote:
Originally Posted by disnyfan89
Or at least they used to.

~Where's '74 when you need him~

you're actually calling directly for '74 to interject his swayed opinions in this thread about how mismanaged the entire company is and how they lie about everything because everyone there is about the bottom line?

First of all, I don't need anyone calling for me to post. I do just fine on my own.

I also don't believe the whole company, or even all the parks and resorts, are mismanged, so please don't misrepresent my opinions.

And yes, Disney is about the bottom line. The people who care about other things like quality, show, pushing the limits and wowing guests are being shoved out or sliced one by one.

Don't let pixie dust or DISNEY MAGIC fool you. TWDC is just like any large multi-billion cutthroat American corporation. Sadly they're treading all over an amazing legacy built on quality, innovation and giving joy to millions of people.

And you are ESPECIALLY calling for him to confront one of Steve's posts directly!!!

what has this forum come to...

:brick:

Uhm, I didn't realize that there was a hand's off policy with Steve's posts/opinions here.

I post on Micechat and often rip Al Lutz or Kevin Yee's opinions.

I post on LaughingPlace and often rip Doobie Moseley or Lee MacDonald's opinions.

If I can't engage Steve then please let me know. I firmly believe in following the rules.

~That's why I'm not on Wall Street ... or a Disney exec!~

 

[WDW1974]

Im suprised too! I'm not even a huge supporter of '74.

I'll try not to let that keep me from sleeping tonight!

~But if you join my fan club you do get a charter member 74 pin!~

 

[WDW1974]

Man, sometimes I think people around here can't see the simple things like, oh, I dunno, Disney wants to make MONEY with the parks, not just please a few fanboys. You can all argue until you're blue in the face, but you'll have to go elsewhere for your HMH fix.

Pardon me for asking for your 'logic' but how exactly does adding Mansion Holiday (and all that new merchandise) go against the idea of making money?

~and please, no insipid 'people will cancel trips.'~

 

[disnyfan89]

I'll try not to let that keep me from sleeping tonight!

~But if you join my fan club you do get a charter member 74 pin!~

I didn't think it would bother you too much. :animwink: Although that pin does sound tempting!

 

[WDW1974]

One thing I have come to learn about stitch, is that he seems to be very popular with regular guests - ie. non-hardcore fans.

I am what you would term a 'hardcore fan' ... and I love Stitch, both the character and the terrific film (produced in FLA btw before those great execs you seem to enjoy defending all the time opted to shutter a studio that has added BILLIONS to the Disney coffers over the years).

But they went Stitch overkill. Much like Disney does with anything from DVC to LE pins to foamhead meals etc ...

I was angry with SGE because not only was it so bad, but because they also 'wasted' a golden chance to do something with a kewl character.

And adding a show with him in T-Land is just beyond overkill. Of course the whole idea of 'lands' really doesn't mean much in today's MK ... it's all toons, all over, all the time.

~Phil Holmes Magical Disney Character Park Now at Phase Zero~

 

[WDW1974]

I have great faith in the company and trust greatly in them. However, it doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure out that WDW is become stale fast with no major new projects in the works. Instead we see continued growth in timeshare and overused franchises and characters. Yet other parks in the Orlando area continues to expand and offer new and unique experiences. Sea World is about to open Florida's first flying coaster with Universal following closely behind with a new innovative coaster. While this may not be everyone's cup of tea it still beats Disney's latest offerings. And with Harry Potter on the horizon Disney needs to get their act in gear. Sure Disney's attendance is looking great now but it wont for long if they stand by and continue to do nothing.

Nice post. You sound like someone I know ... very well.

And let's not say Disney's attendance 'is great' ... one week of normal Easter/Spring Break crowds doesn't negate three months of lower visitor count that would have been drastically lower if people weren't getting three free nights and $200 gift cards thrown in to entice them.

Remember that WDW's 40th is on the horizon and all the major projects are frozen like those poor folks in Fargo.

~Doing nothing is never the answer~

 

[WDW1974]

I didn't think it would bother you too much. :animwink: Although that pin does sound tempting!

Hey, if you sign up now you'll also get your choice of a Disney-MGM Studios guidemap from 1995 OR a 1997 Dixie Landings post card (while supplies last).

Remember, also, I'm undercutting D23.

My WDW74 club is ONLY $74.74 annually ... and can be billed in four quarterly installments.

~I don't need to remember the magic, I got boxes of it~

 

[Horizonstta]

The expansion would include some image capturing system, similar to SSE, in which your image would be taken with the ghosts at the end and you could buy it.

I'm not sure when this idea was initially floated within the company, but I do know it was several years ago and, in fact, there was a narration spiel done for this.