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Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout announced for Disney California Adventure
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Kman101
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LOL. It's not really like that. It's not the "doom and gloomers" coming out. That gets tossed around a bit too much. It's a difference of opinion.
sedati
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Yes, but with both repetition and months and years of construction I think one gets the sense that there are in fact thousands posting on the threads when it seems to be a few dozen going about in circles. Then some start to think there is a mass consensus and make comments along the lines as "everyone thinks so," when in fact it is a very small group voicing either side.
Californian Elitist
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Yeah, maybe.
I'm trying to move on from this petty bull and get back on topic, sharing our opinions on the subject at hand. Those who are in favor are annoyed by those of us who aren't, particularly me, it seems, but I couldn't care less. Annoyed because of repetition? And we swoop in and "rain on people's parade," even though NO ONE opposing this project even responded directly to the post. Those who are in favor also repeat themselves, yet we're not crying, whining, and complaining about it. Again, this is petty and I'm not here to go back and forth with people who have are annoyed with how many times we post the same thing.
Back on topic now. The building is hideous.
Ismael Flores
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So true and then frozen opened and the lines were 4hours long. I'm sure that line included some of the same people that were upset.
Now the ride is operating with decent crowds and it's on to the next project to be upset with.
It's always been this way
There was the outcry when Disney characters were added to IASW, Johnny Depp to Pirates, Star Wars overlay to Space when Adventures thru inner Space got removed for star tours, when Captain Eo was replaced by HISTA, when the carnation plaza got replaced by the new mini princess meet and greet, when pirates were added to Tom Sawyer Island, when pooh replaced the bears, when napkins were changed to generic napkins.
It will be interesting to see what comes next, everybody has a different connection to something in particular at the resort
TheOrangeBird01
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I would agree with you if it was a one time occurrence, but it unfortunately seems like anytime someone compliments the building, the same couple of people remind us of how ugly they think it looks.
If you think it's ugly that's 100% fine, but we need to be inclusive of all opinions (the fact that I have to say this sickens me lol). Just because one member isn't on your side does not mean that they're in the wrong (and you aren't either).
Kman101
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I would agree with you if it was a one time occurrence, but it unfortunately seems like anytime someone compliments the building, the same couple of people remind us of how ugly they think it looks.
If you think it's ugly that's 100% fine, but we need to be inclusive of all opinions (the fact that I have to say this sickens me lol). Just because one member isn't on your side does not mean that they're in the wrong (and you aren't either).
Agreed with you, that's really what I was trying to say. I guess I just breeze past and don't really keep track of how many times someone says something, LOL. I've questioned people on their stance on things at times, but it seemed a bit silly to count how many times raven24 said she didn't like it and then proceed to jump on her in the thread. Just ignore it and post what you like about it. (Not towards you, just advice in general). I get that the negativity at times on the boards gets tiresome but I do think it's a bit overstated. No one's going out of their way to be a constant doom and gloomer besides a few certain posters and even then they do mean well. We all care about Disney and the parks or we wouldn't be here.
I mean, that's like telling someone to stop liking it so much and stop posting what you like about it because I hate it.
sedati
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It's subtle, but I think what gets under people's skin is very often things are not stated as opinions, but as facts. "How ugly they think it looks" is a fine and valid opinion and one that can be supported or argued against. Take away the word "think" and now it's a stated fact. Something that's true and obvious can't be argued against, or at least shouldn't for risk of seeming an utter fool.
An example from the Norway/Frozen threads would be the thousand or more times (only a slight exaggeration) the phrase "Frozen had nothing to do with Norway," was uttered. Example after example was brought up of how there could at least be shown that there was some elements inspired by Norway and it's culture, and still, "Frozen had NOTHING to do with NORWAY." Case closed- irrefutable fact. That's not someone even considering the opinion of another.
I think if someone read my posts from this thread, the Frozen thread, or Avatar, they'd think I was super positive about everything. I actually feel I've been much closer to the center of these arguments. The reason most of my posts skew positive is in reaction to what I (and apparently some others) see as the rampant and immediate negativity that plagues these boards. Seeing things pushed so far to the negative, I feel it takes some positivity just to keep things somewhat neutral. I also think it's healthy for the forums, if they get any more negative I think many people would drop off entirely.
For those who think the forums used to be great and only recently took a downward turn into a mindless corporate supporting complacently that's determined to destroy Walt's legacy and never noticed any problems before, to them I'd say that an angry mob is only seen as an angry mob from the outside- from within it's just a bunch of like-minded people in very loud agreement.
180º
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This is not the first time someone's brought up the oxymoron of "stating facts as opinions," but it bothers me every time I see it. It is not necessary to include qualifiers like "I think," "in my opinion," "from my point of view," etc when stating an opinion. I trust we can all tell a fact from an opinion based on whether it's assessing something that is quantifiable. For example, "The building was constructed in 1990" would not be an alternate opinion, it would be false, because ToT's construction timeline is quantifiable. On the other hand, "The building is ugly" and "the building looks nice" both describe something that is subjective and can't be scientifically proven. Qualifiers attached to opinions are fine, but they are redundant and not required. A fact or an opinion can be identified based on what it addresses.
It sounds like the issue may be that you are under the impression that someone who states his/her opinion without qualifying it considers it to be a fact, appearing condescending or dismissive. I think both sides, including the likes of @raven24, @GiveMeTheMusic, @Dr. Hans Reinhardt, and @TP2000 all understand that their opinions are opinions (And they can correct me if I'm mistaken). To understand each other better and have a more lively discussion, we need to give each other more credit.
GiveMeTheMusic
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My opinion is law!
rle4lunch
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the problem with Disney is that they've milked the nostalgia teat for so long, that whenever they build something new (even an overlay), people FLOCK to it like it was the best thing ever (when, in actuality, it probably isn't). People want nostalgia (PotC, SM, yada yada), but they also need something fresh every couple years to make them actually want to go back to the park.
Even the most rabid, pixie dust coated, ridiculous fan of anything and everything Disney has their visits get stale after a while. Will they admit it on here? nah, they'll just b#tch and moan about how they don't like the new stuff (because it didn't conform to their idea of *new*).
I've been to DL/WDW probably around 30-40 times now (DL getting the brunt of that, WDW coming in at around a dozen), and if there's a trip where I don't see something new, or see a park or land (epcot, tomorrowland, looking at you) falling apart because Disney is milking that teat, then I do feel shortchanged on my visit. did I have a good time? most likely. But there's always that feeling of something missing.
Even the most rabid, pixie dust coated, ridiculous fan of anything and everything Disney has their visits get stale after a while. Will they admit it on here? nah, they'll just b#tch and moan about how they don't like the new stuff (because it didn't conform to their idea of *new*).
I've been to DL/WDW probably around 30-40 times now (DL getting the brunt of that, WDW coming in at around a dozen), and if there's a trip where I don't see something new, or see a park or land (epcot, tomorrowland, looking at you) falling apart because Disney is milking that teat, then I do feel shortchanged on my visit. did I have a good time? most likely. But there's always that feeling of something missing.
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NobodyElse
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It's my opinion that getting news-flashes stating that one's opinion remains unchanged is unnecessary.
But so is this post.
But so is this post.
Californian Elitist
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You would think so, right? You would assume everyone posting here can decipher when someone is stating an opinion vs stating a fact without having to say "In my opinion," or "I believe/think" every single time. Absolutely no one here does that, but that rule applies to those with opposing views simply because people don't like our opinions. That's what it seems like anyway.
I have a B.A. in English. Try writing a paper and/or thesis with "In my opinion," and/or "I believe/think" written throughout and you'll have red ink marked everywhere. That's one of the first things I learned in English classes, before I even graduated high school, regarding essays and such. Always assume the reader already knows it's an opinionated topic, state your opinion/thesis/argument from the beginning, and support it in the paper.
I think I can speak for everyone when I say we shouldn't have to write "In my opinion..." every single time we express ourselves here. Again, no one does it anyway because we're all old enough to decipher such things without having to be told. This is like the third time this subject has come up.
sedati
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There isn't a need to add a qualifier to every statement. That's not what I was trying to say. But I think if you read through posts from different members you get a sense that some are open to discussion while others are completely closed off- here to just add another echo to the echo-chamber, drop the mike and leave. Things stated in a declarative fashion or as absolutes aren't open to rebuttal and are not an active part of an open discussion. They sit like rocks in a stream. Too many rocks and it becomes a dam.
And that's fine too. Variety and life.
Please continue.
And that's fine too. Variety and life.
Please continue.
brb1006
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I remember one of the photos taking during the 4 hour wait during it's opening day had one guy holding a small sign saying "R.I.P Norway" or "Bring back Norway".
Phroobar
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Sometimes I wish the internet didn't allow people to be anonymous. If everything could be tracked to back to the original poster people might think twice about the stupid things they say. The internet is not a polite place. We might find out that the so called expert or ex-cast member or "insider" are really just a thirteen year old ditching school.
truecoat
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Then again, maybe that 13 yo has an executive dad that works at Disney and is spilling all his Dad's secrets. Keep on spillin', little Jimmy!
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Or it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds.