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Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout announced for Disney California Adventure
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Cesar R M
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Not at all, because Marvel is printing money. So adding Marvel in the cheapest way (overlay) will get them more "gate" hits.
Cesar R M
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Doesnt change the fact that it LOOKS HIDEOUS and doesn't fit the view AT ALL.
Unless they have a greater plan to block most of the views from the classic looking areas...
Curious Constance
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Wait, it looks hideous? Why can't I see that? Are you serious? Or just messing around?
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999th Happy Haunt
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How the hell does it fit better on Sunset Boulevard at DHS, a romanticized vintage Hollywood, better than Hollywood Land at DCA, a generic movie backlot? Also the DCA version is just a discount version of the original at DHS, plus all the major Marvel character rights belong to Universal in Orlando. Try explaining to a tourist why all the other Marvel rides are in a different park. Saying the Florida version should be re-themed is just plain wrong.
Californian Elitist
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This is somewhat false. Hollywood Land isn't themed solely to a backlot.
999th Happy Haunt
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True but it be incredibly easy to just re-theme it. The street leading to the tower is just bare walls with some posters.
Professortango1
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1. DCA is themed to California, this attraction doesn't take place in California.
2. DHS theme is IP-based lands. Star Wars Land to the left, Muppet Courtyard next, Toy Story Land straight ahead. It makes sense to theme the area to the right as another IP-based land. Otherwise its like having Adventureland, Frontierland, Fantasyland, and instead of Tomorrowland, it is another arm of Main Street. A Marvel/Superhero retheme of TOT and RRC completes the park AND a Guardians attraction actually fits the park.
3. DCA's version is an improvement over the original Tower. Tower needs an upgrade regardless.
4. DHS' Tower has space for AA's and show scenes, something DCA's does not. This space gives the imagineers more room to help tell an action based story whereas DCA's has room only for projection.
5. Disney can use Guardians. They can use Dr. Strange. They can use Big Hero 6 and The Incredibles. They have plenty of superhero properties available.
Daveeeeed
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Except for the fact that they would then have to retheme the entire Sunset Boulevard which would so not be worth it as it is already one of the land's that has the most foot traffic in WDW. RRC could be returned and begin the start of a new Marvel land that connects to Animation, but to get rid of the impeccably themed Tot which is extremely popular and the experience starts when you enter Hollywood Boulevard and then truly by Sunset Boulevard.
And to your point of a superhero land... it would make no sense to not have just a Marvel land or just an Incredibles land/mini-land etc. Marvel has thousands of characters (the Avengers branch, X-Men, & Fantastic Four which cannot be used). Also Big Hero 6 was actually originally Marvel just that Walt Disney Animation made a movie based upon it, but it can't really do more than anchor a flat ride at this point -- honestly. That film alone without any sequels doesn't seem like very good content for a ride. Like they could do it, but there are so many other things they could do better. As much as I am against IPs in Future World it could work better there, in the Wonders of Life Pavilion at Epcot better than at HWS. The Incredibles could be very promising, but it would be too much to have more than 1 big ride for it IMO. And if they retheme Rock n' Rollercoaster that would make two.
Personally, HWS needs a Marvel land or Animation land, and an Incredibles Land or a Monsters Inc. land to make it a park that can easily rival the scale of MK. RRC could be returned as part of a greater Marvel land, but the Tower should be untouched.
It is arguably in the top 5 best attractions in the world (that is for people who are fine with a thrill ride and don't say all their favorite rides are the most thrilling coasters).
My list of rides that I think are the best in the world.
#1 Shanghai's Pirates (not ridden) -- probably the best ride in the world. It seems to be that way at least.
#2 Forbidden Journey (ridden) -- hands down the most stunning ride I have ever been on.
#3 Journey to The Center of The Earth (not ridden) -- I feel like this would be #1 as Mysterious Island seems to be mind blowing as well as the ride, but its short ride time and since I haven't ridden it I'll knock it down two.
#4 Spider-Man (ridden) -- I like it more in some ways than Forbidden Journey but also not as much. The queue for instance was very lacking, but they are both insanely good attractions.
#5 Tower of Terror (ridden) -- I've also ridden DLP's which is an exact clone of DCA's -- still a very good ride, but it is more in line with rides like Revenge of The Mummy than Forbidden Journey for instance. It's really good, but not "Holy crap!" Like Florida's. I feel like HWS' is my favorite ride of all time just in pure enjoyment along with Toy Story Midway Mania! But in terms of quality it's lower on the list.
#6 Splash Mountain (ridden) stunning inside and out. A must do on any trip. Tip: ride it when it is the coldest as usually they lower the water level, turn off the water jets, and if you don't sit in the front row you will barely get wet, but the waits are so low!
#7 Indiana Jones Adventure (not ridden) -- seems to be a far superior of the already incredible Dinosaur at Animal Kingdom.
#8 Radiator Springs Racers (not ridden) -- while it boasts a mind boggling mountain range, I think that the ride experience is obviously among the best in the world, but I don't predict it to be the best. I'll ride RSR in June so let's wait and see
.#9 20 Thousand Leagues Under The Sea (not ridden) -- not the one formerly at the Magic Kingdom (although it I'm sure would be on this list if it was still around today) but the one at Tokyo. The ride just seems to have this almost otherworldly feel to it.
#10 The Haunted Mansion (ridden) -- honestly this ride is just so good even decades later. It's interesting how it's had such epic staying power.
Honorable Mentions:
Phantom Manor (ridden)
Big Thunder Mountain DLP (not ridden due to a refurbishment).
Spaceship Earth: Jeremy Irons (ridden)
Disneyland Paris' Pirates of the Caribbean (ridden)
Space Mountains (ridden)
Mystic Manor (not ridden)
Sinbad's (not ridden)
To get rid of any of these attractions -- even nostalgia aside would be a travesty. All of them are masterpieces of craftsmanship thought up from dreamers and geniuses.
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Bairstow
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1. Neither does "Cars"- if anything Radiator Springs is in a fictional version of Arizona, and who knows where Bugs Land is supposed to be.
2. It's not as if California Adventure doesn't have Bugsland and Carsland. The trend since day one has been to replace the California stuff with IP. Trend ain't stopping now.
3. California Adventure's version was an "improvement" only in the sense that it was cheaper to build and probably cheaper to maintain. The miniaturized queue, lack of lateral car motion, and the fact that their Tower wasn't the anchor attraction in an entire themed land centered around its particular niche in time and place all made it roundly inferior to the Florida original.
4. I wouldn't be so sure of that; there's less space up there than you would think. Most of the effects in the hallway and 5th Dimension show scenes are accomplished with projection, mirrors, and forced perspective. There's certainly more room than in the California version, but not that much more space.
5. The only way a superhero-themed land at a Disney park is going to make sense to corporate, or even to most park guests, is if it exploits the most popular elements of the "Marvel Cinematic Universe". That means Spiderman, Captain America, and Robert Downey Jr. Everything else is a distant second, with Dr. Strange being a distant fifth or sixth.
Daveeeeed
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The darn thing somehow looks better than the concept art, but it's disgraceful seeing how it literally rethemed possibly the best working theme in the resort -- not to mention that amazing theming.
While it is not as good as WDW's, getting rid of an inferior type of an attraction even though it is very good is like getting rid of Pirates of The Caribbean at Disney World because it is not as good as Disneyland and Disneyland Paris (and the Jack sparrow additions were just a form of an update) and people being okay with it. Imagine right now if Potc at Disney World gets rethemed to Inside Out. You could srgue that the boats are a new transportation tool to get through long term memories. It doesn't make as much sense as the Collector's Fortress, but it happens to have an elevator -- that breaks? And not to mention it completely disregarded sightlines. That is literally about how much sense it makes in Hollywood Land over at DCA.
Although I am still optimistic. I know it will still be a good ride... and it will be nice getting a more different type of ride when I try it out in June (compared to WDW's). But the main thing is that I am confident that it will be the start of a Marvel Land. And I have to be, as without that, Mission Breakout would be the worst thing to happen to a Disney ride since Figment got destroyed in '98. Although to be fair at least this should still be a great ride unlike how a Figment turned out, but my point still stands.
While it is not as good as WDW's, getting rid of an inferior type of an attraction even though it is very good is like getting rid of Pirates of The Caribbean at Disney World because it is not as good as Disneyland and Disneyland Paris (and the Jack sparrow additions were just a form of an update) and people being okay with it. Imagine right now if Potc at Disney World gets rethemed to Inside Out. You could srgue that the boats are a new transportation tool to get through long term memories. It doesn't make as much sense as the Collector's Fortress, but it happens to have an elevator -- that breaks? And not to mention it completely disregarded sightlines. That is literally about how much sense it makes in Hollywood Land over at DCA.
Although I am still optimistic. I know it will still be a good ride... and it will be nice getting a more different type of ride when I try it out in June (compared to WDW's). But the main thing is that I am confident that it will be the start of a Marvel Land. And I have to be, as without that, Mission Breakout would be the worst thing to happen to a Disney ride since Figment got destroyed in '98. Although to be fair at least this should still be a great ride unlike how a Figment turned out, but my point still stands.
Daveeeeed
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I posted this over in News & Rumors and I thought this would obviously be more relevant here:
"As much as I cannot stand the placement of Frozen at Norway and on top of that how much I loved Maelstrom, at least it improved the technology and vastly improved the queue. It's technically an upgrade to a ride that needed it.
The Tower of Terror on the other hand... is just a travesty. I never got to ride the one at California Adventure but instead I rode the clone at Walt Disney Studios Paris and it was still very good. Not as good as Florida's obviously, but still a must do. For how high-tech, thematically perfect, and popular Tot was it's insanity to remove some of the best theming Disney has ever done. Even for the sake of synergy it doesn't seem like it will ever be worth it (unless they are having it as part of a Marvel land). If a Marvel land does in fact come then as much as I love it it's not so bad for DCA, but the entire Gotg overlay was just to get a tie-in quick for the upcoming Vol. 2. I really do hope they do announce a Marvel land though as if they don't it will always remain a travesty."
"As much as I cannot stand the placement of Frozen at Norway and on top of that how much I loved Maelstrom, at least it improved the technology and vastly improved the queue. It's technically an upgrade to a ride that needed it.
The Tower of Terror on the other hand... is just a travesty. I never got to ride the one at California Adventure but instead I rode the clone at Walt Disney Studios Paris and it was still very good. Not as good as Florida's obviously, but still a must do. For how high-tech, thematically perfect, and popular Tot was it's insanity to remove some of the best theming Disney has ever done. Even for the sake of synergy it doesn't seem like it will ever be worth it (unless they are having it as part of a Marvel land). If a Marvel land does in fact come then as much as I love it it's not so bad for DCA, but the entire Gotg overlay was just to get a tie-in quick for the upcoming Vol. 2. I really do hope they do announce a Marvel land though as if they don't it will always remain a travesty."
Professortango1
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Radiator Springs is a fictional town which looks like parts of the California desert. The land features The Cozy Cone, inspired by a motel in San Bernadino on Rte 66. Bugs exist in California and tied into the farm theming.
The DCA version was an improvement as it focused on the ghost story and less on being self aware. The DCA version was scary. The DHS version is campy. The 5th Dimension Room is pretty bad. The mirror effect is a welcome improvement.
And if California parks have access to these necessary Marvel heroes, why aren't they building attractions for them? We already know WDW is seriously considering a Guardians Attraction, might as well go into the park it fits with.
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Bairstow
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Ok, you're going to have to explain this distinction because I have no idea where you're coming from here.
Californian Elitist
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Easy to re-theme what, exactly? And "bare walls with posters?" What are these walls you refer to?
Professortango1
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The DHS has the superior facade and queue, hands down. But the ride, I feel, is better at DCA.
1. The opening. I love boarding the elevator and immediately having something be wrong as your most unusual elevator seems to get pulled back into a ghastly world. The movement reminds me of a Hitchcock closeup.
2. Pace of ride. The DCA version really moves at an alarming pace. The car physically moves faster and the narration drives forward. It gives a great feeling of panic and anxiety.
3. Mirror Scene. A simple but effective special effect. It replaces the 5th Dimension and I prefer it over the 5th Dimension. The maintenance floor vibe at DHS just feels cheap to me. Why does this hotel have large steel framed glass boxes? Is this Guardians of the Galaxy? The effects in there are pretty bad. Static figures which remind me of Christmas lawn ornaments, flimsy cut out signs bobbing on fishing line, the eye and door. I do love the star-field turning into a doorway though. But then the car takes so long to center itself and load into the drop shaft. Its slow, clumbsy, and kills the build up.
4. The Hallway Scene. I love the drop scare they added. Great fun little momemt that ends the scene perfectly and immediately propels us into the climax. DHS' has the window change into the TV show window, it breaks, and then the doors silently close to snickers and awkward laughter from guests. It has a kind of "student film" vibe where you can tell they thought this moment would be trippy, but its just kind of corny.
5. Ride ending. Love the book-ending feature of being thrust back into the real world. It reminds me of the horror films when the character tries telling an authority figure something strange has happened and end up doubting their own senses. "The car, it pulled backwards and I saw the hotel as it was, and I saw ghosts, and I almost dropped to my death!" "What do you mean, the doors only closed a moment ago and you haven't moved..." The fact you have the same exact bellhop on door closing as door opening is fantastic. I've had so many amazing bellhops who really embrace this fact.
The DHS ending is much less satisfying. You see a screen silently play footage from the show. No sound, no nothing. Then our car moves to a completely new exit point. This move is in bright light and there's nothing mysterious or scary about it. It feels like a theme park ride car moving to a new position rather than being part of the story.
6. Horror vs. Camp. The events of the two rides are similar, but the plots are very different. In DHS, Rod Serling tells us tgis elevator is transporting us into the actual TV show. We are now trapped in this fictional episode. I'm mot sure why a Hollywood hotel elevator can move us into a TV show, but that's the plot. We see imagery which isn't meant to tie into the ghost story, but the TV show itself. Windows become black and white then shatter as they do in the show opening. We see big fake floating eyes and other such iconography instead of anything ghastly or hotel related in the 5th Dimension Room. The final scene shows us the TV show elements being sucked into a vortex as we leave this experience. Its closer to the source material, but obviously more campy than scary. Its like a spooky version of Pleasantville. "You are now sucked into this corny 60's TV show....ooooo"
With DCA's update, we are in an actual haunted hotel. The narration is changed and we are no longer going into the old show. Instead, we see scenes which focus on the ghost story. A hallway instantly ages before our eyes into something spooky as our reflection vanishes. Are these ghosts trying to steal our souls? Then we don't see a floating window but the doomed elevator full of these malicious spirits. They drop. We drop. Our fate is mirroring theirs.
Its a much more fear based experience. The original is fun, and I wish they had set it at an old TV studio, as then getting sucked inside a TV show would make sense. The DCA version focuses on us having a truly freaky experience.
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BrianLo
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BrianLo
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Tower of Terror (at DCA) is far, far, far down on the list of "Best theming Disney has ever done". I could easily name 100 things worldwide they've done a better job on.
It was certainly one of DCA's better rides, but was never theming perfection.
I think your perception is WDS though, sure I can see how that turd of a park makes their ToT seem like a gift from the heavens.
Californian Elitist
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Animation's side. Plus the backside of Hyperion.
When they said "walls," I thought of construction walls. Still, I wouldn't say leading up the building, one encounters nothing but walls.