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celluloid

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Next Big Thing said:
I get it won't have inversions, but what about speed? Will that be around RNRC (60mph), Everest (50mph) or more on the slower side?
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I would be thinking more like an inbetween of Revenge of The Mummy and Escape From Gringotts. They want something lower than a 48 inch height requirement if they can help it as that makes it a more intense ride and a taller height requirement that prevents the family accessibility and appeal.
 
marni1971

marni1971

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Next Big Thing said:
I get it won't have inversions, but what about speed? Will that be around RNRC (60mph), Everest (50mph) or more on the slower side?
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celluloid said:
I would be thinking more like an inbetween of Revenge of The Mummy and Escape From Gringotts. They want something lower than a 48 inch height requirement if they can help it as that makes it a more intense ride and a taller height requirement that prevents the family accessibility and appeal.
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I know over shoulder and lap bars have both been looked at if that’s any indication.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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larryz said:
High speeds, yes, and even hyper banks, but I think you'd be hard pressed to cite coasters with just lap bars alone doing inversions.
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I hopped over to RCDB and this was the random image.
https://rcdb.com/11057.htm#p=48381

Plenty of coasters with inversions have lap bars. Vekoma only does lap bars for their standard trains; the over the shoulder vest is optional even with inversions.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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Corless' article indicated dual load and unload. Is that correct? Just to clarify the question, I mean that it would have two spots to load and two separate spots to unload (which I believe is Tron's layout). Or would it be more like California Screamin' where they have two stations but you load and unload from the same area? For a traditional coaster setup dual load and dual unload seems like overkill, for Tron it makes sense.
 
trainplane3

trainplane3

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larryz said:
High speeds, yes, and even hyper banks, but I think you'd be hard pressed to cite coasters with just lap bars alone doing inversions.
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Every RMC conversion is lap bar only and a couple Mack coaster use lap bars with inversions. Over the shoulder isn't needed on most rides with the exceptions being inverted, floorless, and dive types.
 
larryz

larryz

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lazyboy97o said:
I hopped over to RCDB and this was the random image.
https://rcdb.com/11057.htm#p=48381

Plenty of coasters with inversions have lap bars. Vekoma only does lap bars for their standard trains; the over the shoulder vest is optional even with inversions.
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trainplane3 said:
Every RMC conversion is lap bar only and a couple Mack coaster use lap bars with inversions. Over the shoulder isn't needed on most rides with the exceptions being inverted, floorless, and dive types.
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Clearly, there are trains that do inversions with just lap bars, so I stand...er, sit... corrected. The few inversion coasters I've ridden with lap bars (not OTSRs) also had seat belts. The Karacho doesn't seem to have them. Even many OTSR coasters have belts holding the restraint down.

The lap bar being the sole restraint seems like a terrible single point of failure to me. The latent engineer in me does not approve.
 
PREMiERdrum

PREMiERdrum

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larryz said:
Clearly, there are trains that do inversions with just lap bars, so I stand...er, sit... corrected. The few inversion coasters I've ridden with lap bars (not OTSRs) also had seat belts. The Karacho doesn't seem to have them. Even many OTSR coasters have belts holding the restraint down.

The lap bar being the sole restraint seems like a terrible single point of failure to me. The latent engineer in me does not approve.
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At least here in Ohio, the law simply requires a secondary restraint mechanism for roller coaster trains. The secondary restraint is often a seat belt or a latch clip physically connecting the moving retraint part to the train, but in some new rides at Cedar Point and Kings Island, the secondary restraint is a redundant mechanism within the restraint itself. Having redundant internal restraints can dramatically increase dispatch times.
 
trainplane3

trainplane3

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lazyboy97o said:
Vekoma’s current suspended train uses a lap bar.
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I remembered that right after I hit post. Isn't that for the family suspended version though?
larryz said:
Clearly, there are trains that do inversions with just lap bars, so I stand...er, sit... corrected. The few inversion coasters I've ridden with lap bars (not OTSRs) also had seat belts. The Karacho doesn't seem to have them. Even many OTSR coasters have belts holding the restraint down.

The lap bar being the sole restraint seems like a terrible single point of failure to me. The latent engineer in me does not approve.
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You'd be surprised how tough it is to have a restraint fail. Most if, not all, modern coasters use a hydraulic lock mechanism and the only way to get it to release is to apply power to it (could vary to each manufacturer). These aren't your 1980/1990 restraints with the simple "click click" lock with a foot pedal release out each car. Hydraulic (can still click, but is usually a smooth pull back) restraints are incredibly strong and typically have a second cylinder as a backup in case of a extreme failure. And even then, a belt (and ride forces) will keep it down.

A lapbar vs OSTR really aren't different. Both hold you in, both have a similar point of failure. One is over your legs and the other is over your shoulder.

(I am in the office so I can't go too much into detail, so I'm probably not 100% on)

I'm still surprised Disney hasn't put a belt on RnRC yet and just runs the OSTR and nothing else.
PREMiERdrum said:
At least here in Ohio, the law simply requires a secondary restraint mechanism for roller coaster trains. The secondary restraint is often a seat belt or a latch clip physically connecting the moving retraint part to the train, but in some new rides at Cedar Point and Kings Island, the secondary restraint is a redundant mechanism within the restraint itself. Having redundant internal restraints can dramatically increase dispatch times.
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That too^
Cedar Point takes safety seriously but with no impacts to operations. Valravn still has a belt and I'm sure Steel Vengeance will but they both (as well as MF, Maverick, TTD, WT, GK. Might be missing some) could run without a belt.
 

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